defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

this fucking guy
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/846334735169261569

what do your studies show, dingaling?

wonder if you can figure out why this framing is lying w/ statistics

that's nice

Morbs is kinda the scott adams of ilxor, here to explain why your inability to grok stats makes your assclowneyness predictable and boorring.

blow me

Monday's off to a good start!

Philipp Rudiger‏ @PhilippJFR 3h3 hours ago

@ggreenwald @MattBruenig This is asinine, "The majority of candidate Xs votes came from 66% of the electorate" is not a headline.

I'm going to copy what I said about this article on Facebook over here:

Let's look at this a little closer:

Here are the percentages of Trump's support in the overall poll broken down by demographic:

White men: 21%
White women: 19%
Black men: 1.6%
Black women: 0.2%
Latino men: 1.6%
Latino women 1.9%

The story here is not "more women and people of color supported Donald Trump in this poll". The story is "Donald Trump's support is overwhelmingly made up of white people". This article is an attempt to make white men who don't like Trump feel better about their demographic.

Or, to put it another way for those who really want this to be the fault of non-white people: if you remove non-white people from the poll, Trump wins handily. We are not the reason Trump won. Handle your shit.

seems to me "women" is the relevant point here, those who got missed in the attempt to Make History

I'm not sure how you missed the 8 million "election results show that racism trumps sexism with white women, something that practically every person of color in this country could have told you while rolling their eyes at your naivety" thinkpieces from November and December but we've already talked all of this to death.

I didn't miss those.

so to summarize, Mordy playin' Gotcha with Greenwald, v boring, back to I Love Baseball

I don't hate Greenwald or Bruenig like some folks here, but it's aggressively stupid to combine "women and POC" in this. Yes, white women voted for Trump - we knew that from the day after the election and have always known that women's voting patterns follow the same patterns as men when it comes to race (the difference in how 'women' vote usually comes down to black women making up a large percentage of that voting demographic).

IIRC, the only group that Trump won outright was white evangelicals (male and female)... who happen to make up a quarter of the electorate and vote Republican as much as black Americans vote Democratic.

i'm a bit late to this convo, but that's bookmarks for you

i'm not exactly going to defend bruenig, because i don't trust his politics and he gets on my nerves, but this is an obvious troll. i think he deletes tweets regularly, but he said as much in convos about this piece. he likes to see liberals spin their wheels.

his argument is that the "women and people of color" framing is racist. because the categories aren't really the same. women and people of color added together make up, what, 75% of the country? so yes, donald trump's voting coalition is going to be "majority women and people of color." so using that frame doesn't tell you much, in the end.

it was also, i gather, written against a strong strain of contempt from elite democrats for poor people who voted for trump, more or less actively wishing for their deaths so we could have better politics again.

i mean, someone chimed into a related convo (btw greenwald and talib kweli) with this gem:

https://twitter.com/Hottyrotty/status/847255201568313344

If a Trump voter gets harassed and/or killed b/c he is black than fuck him. He had it coming

yeah sure it's just some rando asshole but it's an extremely common attitude. it's common on ilx!

yes a comment sentiment on ilx

common*

i still don't get what bruenig's argument is -- that talking about women and POC as a monolithic group is racist and that's why he did it? idgi.

his point is the point he always has: that liberals are suckers with bad ideas

i guess when you have a dumb point you tend to make dumb arguments to support it

saying a black trump voter had his violent death coming to him is a common sentiment on ilx??

i'm wary of breunig for exactly the same reasons goole is but i still like him. i don't trust that he's always *right* about things and he more or less exists (on twitter at least -- i know he's done some good irl research) to be a troll, but he trolls the right people and he's pretty funny

let the record show that goole also believes April and May are indistinguishable

saying a black trump voter had his violent death coming to him is a common sentiment on ilx??

There aren't enough black people on ILX for that sentiment to be common.

bump

i bet you think he's the editor of the Intercept, fucko

what could've ever given me that idea

http://imgur.com/pHZfEMm.jpg

yeah well you're a stupidhead

seems like an honorific

he just recently insidted he is not the hands-on editor

and i know you read his every tweet, puss

https://media.giphy.com/media/bhyCkEhXAgDw4/giphy.gif

plus it appears Greenwald is skeptical of the veracity of the document at the center of the story.

Journalism requires that document be published and reported. Rationality requires it be read skeptically.

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 5, 2017

if he was involved in the story's publication i think he'd be one of the writers (4 of em) on the byline.

Statement of Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill: pic.twitter.com/HJACKjKjtz

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 13, 2017

glenn greenwald v. rachel maddow ~ fight!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/07/rachel-maddows-exclusive-scoop-about-a-fake-nsa-document-raises-several-key-questions/

Whatever, Glenn. The Intercept is still at fault for not covering Reality Winner's tracks well enough that she's in jail right now.

His ability to still burn through 1000 words on something only he cares about and publish the whole thing is truly phenomenal

It's a shame "the left" can't do better than this guy and Freddie DeBoer, if the stuff they claim to care about is really so important - are all editors liberal? Is that the thing?

Maddow said her report should serve as a “heads up” to other news organizations that someone is attempting to destroy the credibility of those who report on Trump’s connections to Russia by purposely giving them false information. She suggested, without stating, that this may have been what caused CNN and other outlets recently to publish reports about Trump and/or Russia that ended up being retracted.

lol so weak.

yeah greenwald sells to his audience maddow sells to hers that is their jobs how any of is this phenomenal

Is the implication she is roosting, or that she is concern trolling? I'm not even clear what his beef is, I should read it, but srsly fuck that it's gg.

From what I could stand to skim, he feels that The Intercept's source for the NSA document has now been revealed as a phony weasel, meaning he fell for some phony bullshit, so he's going ham to suggest that it is unreasonable to suggest that he would ever get played.

I don't think Greenwald was involved in the NSA story.

This one seems to be a relatively straightforward dispute over whether someone who appears to have created a fake NSA document and sent it to Maddow using the Intercept doc as a template did it before or after the Intercept published. If it was after, it could have been anyone, if it was before, the theory goes, it would have to be someone with access - or the result of Intercept getting hacked. It's not necessarily worth 1000 words of anyone's time.

no one actually believes he had no involvement in the NSA story right? like there's no way this guy of all guys had no involvement in a major leak from the NSA published in his zine.

There's this grave air of importance in the writing of that piece, as if it's a really explosive political story. But the whole point is just defending The Intercept themselves from accusations of wrongdoing. And yeah, they seem to be right. But that piece, in that tone, is really only something you write if your head has gotten so far up your own ass that you begin to believe other people see you as the most important person in the world as well.

Also, if it was before, the source could be the same for both.

Gym Teacher Maddow has done a whole fuck of a lot more harm than you Centrists believe GG has

Brought to you by "Telling Pejoritives" revealing yesterday's persistent childhood traumas...today.

Of course, nobody here has argued that the spat between Maddow and Greenwald should be determined by who has done more damage, and that the answer in that case would be Greenwald. But I do think it's important for all of us to recognize that gym teachers are the fucking worst.

no u are

Since when does my fellow American take a dive in this matchup

Is Lee Fang having a breakdown or something?