Fleetwood Mac – Mirage, C/D?

Also, has there been any more news about the forthcoming Buckingham-McVie-really-should-be-a-Fleetwood-Mac album?

I believe it'll be out this summer. For her part, Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album.

I was under the impression that Mick Fleetwood and John McVie owned the name "Fleetwood Mac" and therefore could dictate who could and couldn't be in the band?

What's interesting about Say You Will is how hard it is to separate Nicks and Buckingham's efforts in terms of quality - well, probably Buckingham has a bit better quality control, but - "Bleed To Love Her" aside - Nicks' highs are a little bit higher.

That's the biggest surprise of the album: that Nicks provided (or Buckingham coaxed from her) such a strong set of material after 16+ years of struggling on that front.

I love "Hold Me" and especially "Gypsy" - that one has always, in my head, sounded like some magical ethereal wonderland journey suggested by the best possible interpretation of the title.

"Nicks has said that, due to the state of the industry, the full band probably won't make another album."

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money? They certainly all still tour together (I saw them last year, and they were amazing).

like, she actually told people to just download her last solo album for free since it didn't matter

"No. It's obvious that Nicks has lawyer-veto power over who is in the Mac."

is that something that might have been introduced after they put out the godawful Time?

(actually I don't know that that album is godawful, I only listened to it once and never gave it another shake, but it struck me as negligibly Mac)

she's been on about the state of the industry for some time but I don't really get it. Is the fear that it wouldn't make enough money?

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

Pretty much. She's asked about it in the current Rolling Stone, and she replies something to the effect of 'why spend a year recording something that won't make money?'.

OK really? The artist who insisted on a piano in her hotel suite in 1980?

You can go back further than that - the fact that the band didn't disintegrate circa the recording of Rumours may have had a lot to do with two of the band members finally getting their lucky break (and plenty of money) and the other three members finally seeing some big success (and plenty of money) after years of trying to re-establish themselves post-Peter Green.

An artist who's a capitalist!

they could, you know, record an album without spending 100 million dollars on it

lotsa good advice for stevie itt

at the risk of ending this inspiring discussion here's the actual quote:

I don't think we'll do another record. If the music business were different, I might feel different. I don't think there's any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn't going to sell. What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn't all that much fun.

Sound fair enough to me.

Sad but true

Making a record isn't all that much fun.

Sure, not playing an instrument means she spends most of her time not doing anything when it's not her song. Maybe they could split the sessions into three parts and only work on one writer's songs at a time.

the only reason I bemoan their not doing another one is because Buckingham and NIcks' latest solo output has been really really good and I wouldn't mind hearing those songs with the Mac backing them.

Finally hearing this. Definitely rocking my world atm - guess tango in the night next then?

Yup

TitN has "Everywhere" which is one of the best songs of all time, but I prefer Mirage, it's more subtle, has kind of a unique sound

I can't stop listening to "Book of Love" -- it sounds like it was cooked up in an EZ bake oven but that chorus! I went to sleep thinking about it, woke up singing it. Have there been any noteworthy covers of this song? I checked and didn't find anything but maybe my googling is weak.

HA
HA
HA
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was it somebody from abooooooooove?
i'd like to hear that guitar part at the end go on a bit longer

i'd love a thread on songs that include backing vocals like the "ha ha ha ha" ones on this (also used in o superman and goldfrapp's "Hunt")

lechera, i woke up singing this too :) i mash the opening doo wop harmony vocal with metal guru in my mind by t-rex as well :-/

I went through a "Book of Love" phase for a long spell and walked away acknowledging that John's contribution is incredible. He really carries the song, it was quite kind of Lindsay to give him so much room.

check out the early version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsi3WqhQSU

i'd love to play/sing a super loud crazy horse version of this song with a longer more ripping guitar solo/jam/freakout at the end

it's like this song has singlehandedly revived my interest in life

SURELY HE MUST KNOW ALL THE RUUUUULES

ha ha ha ha

I love how often FM demos and early versions sound more polished than most bands' final products.

book of love is definitely a fleetwood mac production i could live inside of

on an album of miraculous backing vocals it manages to hella stand out

it'd be a really fun song to teach a group of beginners
i would love to hear different interpretations of this song tbh
that is why i asked about covers originally

Are there many auto harps used on this record? The guitar sounds are super lush

I gave this album another listen a couple of weeks ago. Still think it's the weakest album they put out from 1975-1987, although there's a couple of songs that would make it onto a personal best of.

('Gypsy' and 'Book of Love', of course.)

"Hold Me" is miraculous.

"Oh Diane," "Wish You Were Here," and "Empire State" I skip.

hold me/gypsy/book of love are def my favorites
can't really remember much about the rest of the songs tbh!
but those three i love A LOT

On the evidence of "That's Allright," Nicks should've sung more country; it's one of the last times her voice was that high too.

I loathe 'Empire State' - for me, it's one of the worst things this incarnation of FM put out. I agree that Mirage gets overlooked a bit, but it's not hard to see why when it followed three incredible albums and was followed by an album that yielded far more memorable hits.

i bought it from the dollar bin

"hold me" and "gypsy" are so good that i was dismayed at how much i do not enjoy the full album

Xp to Ross

I feel like LB found some super close but rounded way to record his guitars with this production. There are all these great little guitar incidents that are tiny yet super present and colorful

Papas Fritas admit their Fleetwood Mac influence with a stripped down "Book of Love" cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KJHNddSzLo

However, if you've heard "People Say," you already know how much they love Mirage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxiOSmAE3rM

She was just a dream maker,
Dreamer of sighs
Shadow on the one who used to cry

Can't believe this revive has not mentioned the incredible "Eyes of the World" yet.

eyes eyes eyes eyes

BACK AND FORTH LIES UNFUUUURRRLLLL

Love "Straight Back". What a production job building up and sustaining a lyric that's about ... who the f___ knows what but it sounds gorgeous in the process. Great headphones albums these (Rumours thru Tango).