Taking sides: Children vs. (non-human) animals

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"the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics."

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select one

How much should you be pulling down annually to avoid being encouraged to abort your unborn paupers?

that is the achilles' heal ogmor

there would be too many people that would want to misuse the data to do away with the people they dislike because we live in a very connected world

only one selleck coefficient reads off the charts

"the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics."

― Mordy, Monday, March 20, 2017 9:22 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

intelligence is not heritable pal

oustic pointed that out a while ago

I choose

http://staticdistance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/genevincent.jpg

the solution to the evils of parenting is not a bigger, more rationalist parent

http://genekellyfans.com/wp-content/uploads/sitr-gene-kelly.jpg

once we stop the uneducated and poor from reproducing and our population falls beneath replacement level fertility will the economic decline be worth the marginal theoretical gains to be had from our pseudo-eugenics program?

http://thegeneokerlund.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mean-gene.jpg

also i don't see where Οὖτις said anything about intelligence and heritability but that's a question surely beyond the scope of this thread

filial morality/piety is not based on strict rationalism

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if you were pro eugenics you wouldn't hesitate to argue that the cost of unwanted and badly raised children is enormous

fwiw tho (and i point this out as someone who controversially does not believe we should mandate testing for prospective parents) "The general figure for the heritability of IQ, according to an authoritative American Psychological Association report, is 0.45 for children, and rises to around 0.75 for late teens and adults."

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ogmor

uh i'm not pro eugenics

when did i mention cost? i actually believe in basic/universal income

who would win in a gene poll

mordy

but check what iq tests for, right? i never mentioned an iq test

lol nomar

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xxp i don't understand are you arguing that IQ test results are heritable but intelligence in general is not? what is it that you believe IQ tests measure that can be inherited but have nothing to do with intelligence?

∞ i'm not talking about you, i am invoking a generic/straw eugenicist for rhetorical purposes

however

surely if you believe ppl need saving from their impulses wrt having sprogs, you might have similar concerns about their ability to spend their allocated income prudently

smh at lack of tierney itt

firstly dudes

this is a decent read for what i'm referring to (not without its difficulties)

https://oolongiv.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/summers_filial_morality2.pdf

secondly mordy i mentioned upthread already but i'm talking about measuring interpersonal, intrapersonal and emotional intelligence, which are things the iq test has absolutely nothing to do with

i wasn't the one that brought up iq tests

smh at lack of tierney itt

I was literally about to post a Tierney pic but now I won't because it will look like pandering

yeah I'm not into filial piety. you can't decide to have a child and then claim they owe you for the privilege of fulfilling your desires

idk what that has to do w/ his pt anyway which is really about parental obligations not vice-versa nb i didn't read the whole thing maybe it goes into that at some pt

eugenics was gene selection

in practice, eugenics always selects genes based on 'demonstrated fitness', not from examining anyone's genes. being poor, illiterate, or physically handicapped in any way is considered a prima facie proof of your unfitness. I mean, you don't want society's scum, idiots, or cripples reproducing, right?

i think he's saying we should only allow adults to reproduce if they get a good score on the MSCEIT

I think reproduction should be limited only to people who can reach a Donkey Kong kill screen.

fwiw altho there's no consensus in the literature it seems like most scholarship in the field has found that EI is hereditary as well

filial piety is a theory on how to build a good society

it's a lot more common in the eastern world (asia) and sommers brings in a more western style because it's not as common in the us/canada

that text is just a part of it

Aimless otm

I mean, you don't want society's scum, idiots, or cripples reproducing, right?

enough about the aristocracy

mordy that's just nonsense lol

u can't say such things without even backing them up

but i guess there are ilxors naive enough to gobble it up

Let's all reflect on the gorgeousness of Wilf the Whippet instead of going down a bad rabbit hole.

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By gar, it's an old-fashioned eugenicizing, it's been a while

mordy that's just nonsense lol

u can't say such things without even backing them up

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18837613
http://darhiv.ffzg.unizg.hr/446/

in practice, eugenics always selects genes based on 'demonstrated fitness', not from examining anyone's genes. being poor, illiterate, or physically handicapped in any way is considered a prima facie proof of your unfitness. I mean, you don't want society's scum, idiots, or cripples reproducing, right?

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, March 20, 2017 10:00 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

very true! i guess we would need to first have a literacy rate of 100%

For global score, father - offspring correlation was .09 and statistically not significant, while mother - offspring correlation was significant, r =.22, which yields estimate of 44% for the upper limit of h". The regression of offspring on midparent score was .30.

so we should probably only test moms

mordy

you have to purchase that article, which i won't

reading the abstract, their sample size is a total of 449 people, 213 of them monozygotic twins (ie more probability of shared characteristics, iirc)!

both are less than .50

methodology is also not accessible which is what the test hinges on

this proves very, very little

monozygotic twins are how you do heritability studies for that very reason obv

like u realize "more probability of shared characteristics" is precisely what i'm saying is so and what you are so strenuously denying on the basis of nothing but that you don't want your eugenics plan to be contingent on heritable measurables?

wait why are there an odd number of twins