eugenics was gene selection
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
F♯A♯(∞) ingeniously drawing attention to the similarities between parenting and social engineering, well played
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spongebob/images/6/6d/Geneshalit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160517150316
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
"the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics."
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Gene_Simmons_2012.jpg/220px-Gene_Simmons_2012.jpg
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTczMDk2Nzg0Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjA5Njg3Mw@@._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg
select one
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
How much should you be pulling down annually to avoid being encouraged to abort your unborn paupers?
― Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
that is the achilles' heal ogmor
there would be too many people that would want to misuse the data to do away with the people they dislike because we live in a very connected world
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
only one selleck coefficient reads off the charts
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, March 20, 2017 9:22 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
intelligence is not heritable pal
oustic pointed that out a while ago
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
I choose
http://staticdistance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/genevincent.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
the solution to the evils of parenting is not a bigger, more rationalist parent
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
http://genekellyfans.com/wp-content/uploads/sitr-gene-kelly.jpg
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
once we stop the uneducated and poor from reproducing and our population falls beneath replacement level fertility will the economic decline be worth the marginal theoretical gains to be had from our pseudo-eugenics program?
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
http://thegeneokerlund.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mean-gene.jpg
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
also i don't see where Οὖτις said anything about intelligence and heritability but that's a question surely beyond the scope of this thread
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
filial morality/piety is not based on strict rationalism
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/GeneHackmanJun2108.jpg/220px-GeneHackmanJun2108.jpg
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
if you were pro eugenics you wouldn't hesitate to argue that the cost of unwanted and badly raised children is enormous
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
fwiw tho (and i point this out as someone who controversially does not believe we should mandate testing for prospective parents) "The general figure for the heritability of IQ, according to an authoritative American Psychological Association report, is 0.45 for children, and rises to around 0.75 for late teens and adults."
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
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― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d0/bc/60/d0bc60af2ada8d40d53288f9318f0008.gif
― nomar, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
ogmor
uh i'm not pro eugenics
when did i mention cost? i actually believe in basic/universal income
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
who would win in a gene poll
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
mordy
but check what iq tests for, right? i never mentioned an iq test
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
lol nomar
― marcos, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/92/ba/82/92ba82be4fc7eede29b2567bc01890c9.jpg
― nomar, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
xxp i don't understand are you arguing that IQ test results are heritable but intelligence in general is not? what is it that you believe IQ tests measure that can be inherited but have nothing to do with intelligence?
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
∞ i'm not talking about you, i am invoking a generic/straw eugenicist for rhetorical purposes
however
surely if you believe ppl need saving from their impulses wrt having sprogs, you might have similar concerns about their ability to spend their allocated income prudently
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
smh at lack of tierney itt
― samovars are trying to steep (wins), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
firstly dudes
this is a decent read for what i'm referring to (not without its difficulties)
https://oolongiv.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/summers_filial_morality2.pdf
secondly mordy i mentioned upthread already but i'm talking about measuring interpersonal, intrapersonal and emotional intelligence, which are things the iq test has absolutely nothing to do with
i wasn't the one that brought up iq tests
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
I was literally about to post a Tierney pic but now I won't because it will look like pandering
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
yeah I'm not into filial piety. you can't decide to have a child and then claim they owe you for the privilege of fulfilling your desires
― ogmor, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link
idk what that has to do w/ his pt anyway which is really about parental obligations not vice-versa nb i didn't read the whole thing maybe it goes into that at some pt
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
in practice, eugenics always selects genes based on 'demonstrated fitness', not from examining anyone's genes. being poor, illiterate, or physically handicapped in any way is considered a prima facie proof of your unfitness. I mean, you don't want society's scum, idiots, or cripples reproducing, right?
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
i think he's saying we should only allow adults to reproduce if they get a good score on the MSCEIT
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
I think reproduction should be limited only to people who can reach a Donkey Kong kill screen.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
fwiw altho there's no consensus in the literature it seems like most scholarship in the field has found that EI is hereditary as well
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
filial piety is a theory on how to build a good society
it's a lot more common in the eastern world (asia) and sommers brings in a more western style because it's not as common in the us/canada
that text is just a part of it
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
Aimless otm
― The night before all about day (darraghmac), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
I mean, you don't want society's scum, idiots, or cripples reproducing, right?
enough about the aristocracy
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
mordy that's just nonsense lol
u can't say such things without even backing them up
but i guess there are ilxors naive enough to gobble it up
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Let's all reflect on the gorgeousness of Wilf the Whippet instead of going down a bad rabbit hole.
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/17218378_10154181326271949_6948274833910745913_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=50a9e1bf25fb986bd182eb1cc6870fd9&oe=596C1F9A
― syzygy stardust (suzy), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
By gar, it's an old-fashioned eugenicizing, it's been a while
― Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18837613http://darhiv.ffzg.unizg.hr/446/
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, March 20, 2017 10:00 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
very true! i guess we would need to first have a literacy rate of 100%
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link
For global score, father - offspring correlation was .09 and statistically not significant, while mother - offspring correlation was significant, r =.22, which yields estimate of 44% for the upper limit of h". The regression of offspring on midparent score was .30.
so we should probably only test moms
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
you have to purchase that article, which i won't
reading the abstract, their sample size is a total of 449 people, 213 of them monozygotic twins (ie more probability of shared characteristics, iirc)!
both are less than .50
methodology is also not accessible which is what the test hinges on
this proves very, very little
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 20 March 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
monozygotic twins are how you do heritability studies for that very reason obv
― Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link