Taking sides: Children vs. (non-human) animals

"I got married and had kids for the sex" probably the most o_O take I've seen in a minute

Sex with the wife that is. I hope.

I never wait what a post until i see the djp position tbh you need to accept yr position as a major influencer

like this post from The Cut, in a world with no birth control!

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/03/when-is-a-penis-too-good-to-break-up-with.html

For emoji, try eggplant, peace-sign fingers, bomb.

prob goes in the contro op thread but

people really shld be able to pass an intelligence exam and meet certain requirements to qualify to be a parent

hmm yes what could possibly go wrong with that policy, I can't even imagine

would you like a list of geniuses whose parents were illiterate/poor/horrible

Some of the worst parents in the world are the 'intelligent' ones.

intelligence not measuring doing quadratic equations genius

as if that's the only type of intelligence

Eh

Kind of agree with the lefty outlook here, but would add coda

- tbh its not like less kids is a bad thing, regardless of opportunity cost in random geniuses
- properly applied death penalty takes care of the offspring as and when they have it coming, removing need to regulate parental input on a predictive basis

we can build a time machine and if your neglected children turn out to be the wrong kind of neglected children then we go back and zap you
rich parents exempt

also to be fair we will do the same for non-human animals

it's not a matter of producing geniuses

it's a matter of ensuring a child has parents who can teach her/him moral and ethical responsibilities

the poorest in society shouldn't be forced to abort, but they should be highly encouraged to do so, yet they are the ones who produce more offsprings than the rich

to be clear, i was referring to interpersonal, intrapersonal, and emotional intelligence

if you asked me if i prefer (subject) genius/artist or a well grounded, normal, determined, productive person, i would choose the latter

the poorest in society shouldn't be forced to abort, but they should be highly encouraged to do so, yet they are the ones who produce more offsprings than the rich

I would much rather see more kids from the Section 8 families in my neighborhood than the Trumps and Hiltons of the world. Maybe it's just me.

you think trump would pass a morality/ethics test

Given "I think poor people should be encouraged to abort their children," I don't think YOU would pass a morality/ethics test.

99.999999% of people are neither the next Hitler nor the next Einstein. Leave people the fuck alone.

also i'm fully aware that what i'm referring to is a highly fantastical world and completely unachievable so we put other filters in society

pretty sure pro-eugenics opinions belong on the yr unpopular nazi opinions thread

eugenics was gene selection

F♯A♯(∞) ingeniously drawing attention to the similarities between parenting and social engineering, well played

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spongebob/images/6/6d/Geneshalit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160517150316

"the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Gene_Simmons_2012.jpg/220px-Gene_Simmons_2012.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTczMDk2Nzg0Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjA5Njg3Mw@@._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

select one

How much should you be pulling down annually to avoid being encouraged to abort your unborn paupers?

that is the achilles' heal ogmor

there would be too many people that would want to misuse the data to do away with the people they dislike because we live in a very connected world

only one selleck coefficient reads off the charts

"the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics."

― Mordy, Monday, March 20, 2017 9:22 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

intelligence is not heritable pal

oustic pointed that out a while ago

I choose

http://staticdistance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/genevincent.jpg

the solution to the evils of parenting is not a bigger, more rationalist parent

http://genekellyfans.com/wp-content/uploads/sitr-gene-kelly.jpg

once we stop the uneducated and poor from reproducing and our population falls beneath replacement level fertility will the economic decline be worth the marginal theoretical gains to be had from our pseudo-eugenics program?

http://thegeneokerlund.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mean-gene.jpg

also i don't see where Οὖτις said anything about intelligence and heritability but that's a question surely beyond the scope of this thread

filial morality/piety is not based on strict rationalism

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/GeneHackmanJun2108.jpg/220px-GeneHackmanJun2108.jpg

if you were pro eugenics you wouldn't hesitate to argue that the cost of unwanted and badly raised children is enormous

fwiw tho (and i point this out as someone who controversially does not believe we should mandate testing for prospective parents) "The general figure for the heritability of IQ, according to an authoritative American Psychological Association report, is 0.45 for children, and rises to around 0.75 for late teens and adults."

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTIzMTAxMzczNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMjEwOTg2._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d0/bc/60/d0bc60af2ada8d40d53288f9318f0008.gif

ogmor

uh i'm not pro eugenics

when did i mention cost? i actually believe in basic/universal income

who would win in a gene poll

mordy

but check what iq tests for, right? i never mentioned an iq test

lol nomar

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/92/ba/82/92ba82be4fc7eede29b2567bc01890c9.jpg

xxp i don't understand are you arguing that IQ test results are heritable but intelligence in general is not? what is it that you believe IQ tests measure that can be inherited but have nothing to do with intelligence?

∞ i'm not talking about you, i am invoking a generic/straw eugenicist for rhetorical purposes

however

surely if you believe ppl need saving from their impulses wrt having sprogs, you might have similar concerns about their ability to spend their allocated income prudently

smh at lack of tierney itt