Rolling 2017 Thread on Race

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https://medium.com/@thedididelgado/whites-only-the-caucasian-invasion-of-racial-justice-spaces-7e2529ec8314

This piece is massively undercut by the author's need to tell jokes and I don't think she supports her thesis well but I can't deny that I have been looking askance at SURJ since I first heard about it. It's interesting to see UU churches mentioned as part of the lineage of problematic allies she's identifying because my wife and I sing at a UU church and my wife, after becoming a member, was recruited heavily to serve on the vestry committee and to help them define the focus of the church's social justice mission. The lead pastor is a white woman who was a former lawyer before seminary who is adamant about both bringing in more young people and more diversity to the church. There have been some bumps along the way but the group as a whole is definitely committed to doing The Right Thing in The Right Way;

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:05 (seven years ago) link

lol I guess I didn't finish that thought:

I would like to watch a conversation between this woman and my wife in the context of what our church is trying to do.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link

gg Nivea: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39489967

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link

who in the HELL could have possibly greenlit that?

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link

I'm gonna go with "someone who most would consider white and/or is not a native English speaker"

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:47 (seven years ago) link

Could quite easily be a Middle East marketing team not thinking through the racial aspect, tbh.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link

I wrote a thing yesterday and then got called away to do work at my work and when I came back it had logged me out and I lost it.

I also would love to see more discussion of white allies' role(s) and maybe working towards some best practices pointers. I really don't think that people of color who are giving their time and energy to do social justice work & anti-racism organizing want to spend their time holding white people's hands and listening to us blunder through entry-level lessons we need to learn. I do think that some kind of white ally-supported effort is healthy and good and keeps the workload off of Black leadership. The *accountability* to Black leadership is the crucial thing, I think.

I have also seen where a person of color presents themselves as a leader and can convince the SURJ or other white allies to gather around them, but they themselves might not be accountable to any other POC in the movement, and their politics or message or personal priorities may be a problem. In that case it's a delicate negotiation for everyone, and it can pull apart a new or developing group, or make it hard for other partners to see them in a positive way.

the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link

To add: I saw that happen precisely once. It did put me off joining that group though.

I'm in a small group of white ppl that belong to a community organization near my home that is Black-led. We're working on ways to support the org and train prospective white members to understand that we put ourselves under Black leadership and what an intersectional and anti-gentrification approach looks like in social justice circles. It's a long and slow conversation.

the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link

speaking of SURJ:

Whites Only: SURJ and the Caucasian Invasion of Racial Justice Spaces

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link

Apparently the author of that article is based in Boston so I could totally get that conversation to happen. Hmm...

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link

okay I just clicked on Karl's link and lol

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link

https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk

How do we even fight these subtle, insidious forms of racism that it's hard to even know about?

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:25 (seven years ago) link

My wife gets slammed by that car insurance thing. Of course, it doesn't help that we live in NJ, one of the most expensive states for car insurance, period.

Why is Montana so expensive? Insurance against having your car rammed by a buffalo?

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:45 (seven years ago) link

no speed limits in Montana?

example (crüt), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:47 (seven years ago) link

http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/pepsi-pulls-protest-themed-kendall-jenner-ad-after-backlash.html

The whole Kendall Jenner Pepsi ad debacle continues to be hilarious.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link

on the good side, i'd never seen that Chemical Brothers video before and it rules in so many ways

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 April 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link

I don't think this belongs on the Trump / politics threads

https://nyti.ms/2ob5rzu

The reactions have not all been supportive. The mayor said that the Beristains’ eighth- and ninth-grade daughters were on “the receiving end of some ugliness at their school.” He added that there had been some negative responses from people online, who have said that Mr. Beristain does not have an excuse because he had years to try and become a citizen.

Live up to your end of my fucking oath just once in a blood moon you dumb, depressing fucks.

The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Saturday, 8 April 2017 02:42 (seven years ago) link

I grew up near here (and my dad continues to live nearby) and can't recall there ever being a protest there about anything, much less something like BLM: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/04/10/she-wanted-to-criticize-black-lives-matter-in-a-college-speech-a-protest-shut-her-down/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f99b84d44721

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link

that article is deeply uninformed at best

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link

things like surj are sort of a direct result of years of arguments exactly like those the article makes, and people trying to conduct themselves according to those arguments. i think the fact that doing that leads to exactly the same criticisms (which even if they don't hang together stem for geniune anxieties and concerns about broader society and the possibilities for leadership and change) points to a sort of no-win situation for that standpoint, and generally the idea that who groups are "accountable" to is a distinct and important question as opposed to "what do they directly do, and what purpose does it serve".

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link

White Floriday state senator, in talking to two black Florida state senators, refers to six other white Florida senators as "niggers", claims it's okay because he meant "niggas" which is a completely different word:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/04/19/after-using-n-word-in-front-of-black-colleagues-fla-state-senator-faces-calls-to-resign/?utm_term=.7228d09ad0ae

my primary reaction to this is "lol"

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link

in conclusion: hip-hop is dangerous in the wrong hands

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:41 (seven years ago) link

the wite hands

bought 2 raris, went to chili's (crüt), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link

A+

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link

"No, see, when I say it, I use a non-rhotic pronunciation. That means I'm just kidding around!"

pplains, Thursday, 20 April 2017 02:19 (seven years ago) link

"My racism was taken out of context"

Neanderthal, Friday, 21 April 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this is a Chappelle's Show skit https://t.co/HTgatNVLLG

— Vann R. Newkirk II (@fivefifths) May 10, 2017

, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link

ha I was just about to post this

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Thursday, 11 May 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link

imo his first hint that he is part black should have been the fact that his name is "Cleon Brown"

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Thursday, 11 May 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link

Man, R L Stephens has been shouting at Ta-nehisi Coates since 2014. Does he have anything new to say, or is he still just mad that Coates isn't socialist enough?

'Checks piece' Ultimately, in both Coates’s and Wilderson’s respective frameworks, solidarity is unimaginable and class struggle is rendered futile.

Yawn...

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link

speaking of having anything new to say

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I really don't think an article that just regurgitates the same attack leveled against Coates a thousand times will bring up any original thoughts by anyone, really...

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link

it's cute when bruneau identifies the one guy on ilx the zing hierarchy allows him to clown*

*this post is quite possibly a replication of the phenomenon yes lol

imago, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link

:(

Where is Morbs when I need him...

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link

exactly where you would think doing exactly what you would think

spud called maris (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link

fucking stop this right now

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link

^

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link

That is a great speech.

PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link

This judge should get the same treatment the judge in the Brock Turner case got: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-man-prison-serve-five-years-ramad-chatman-georgia-prison-not-guilty-probation-broke-terms-jail-a7744326.html But he won't.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link

woah @ that Landrieu speech. so good.

gr8080, Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link

This just appeared on my timeline, wtf.

https://twitter.com/LindseyFOX26/status/8682216704100802

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 27 May 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link

And it was in the advanced college prep class! Why am I finding this hilarious what is wrong with me

El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 May 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link

texas

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 May 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link

That Landrieu speech has me legit crying. Amazing.

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Saturday, 27 May 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link

good article, tho yeah conclusion just begging to be pointed out

k3vin k., Thursday, 14 December 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link

Signal boost to this excellent extended audio interview with Karen & Barbara Fields, authors of _Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life_

The new @thedigradio is lengthy interview revisiting the seminal essay collection Racecraft—talking Coates, Dolezal, BLM, and why we must believe that racism & the economic exploitation that it protects can be defeated—w its authors Barbara & Karen Fields. https://t.co/EF9n5szkMd

— Daniel Denvir (@DanielDenvir) December 13, 2017

(Also their book is currently onsale at Verso, and you really should check it out as the ebook is only five bucks American)

Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link

http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-driver-unite-rally-violence-charlottesville-charged-degree/story?id=51801371&cid=social_twitter_abcn

the guy who drove into the crowd was charged with first-degree murder

j., Friday, 15 December 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/11/30/567177501/when-miss-meant-so-much-more-how-one-woman-fought-alabama-and-won?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

In Lebanon, Tenn., when a mayor visited her cell and referred to her as "Mary," Hamilton corrected him. It was Miss Hamilton. Hamilton and Michaels recalled the moment in their oral history: "And if you don't know how to speak to a lady," Hamilton told the mayor, "then get out of my cell."

At the time, throughout the '60s, many white people — particularly in positions of authority — refused to use honorifics like "Miss," "Mrs." or "Mr." to refer to black people.

j., Sunday, 17 December 2017 20:25 (six years ago) link

http://www.businessinsider.com/papa-johns-founder-steps-down-as-ceo-2017-12

lol

j., Friday, 22 December 2017 01:54 (six years ago) link

what do people think of this (kinda old) article?

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/digital-blackface-reaction-gifs

i was reminded of it because NYT had a similar story today

https://www.nytimes.com/video/arts/100000005615988/the-white-internets-love-affair-with-digital-blackface.html

the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link

I didn’t read the NYT article but I was in favor of the message behind the Teen Vogue article.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link

teen vogue article expressed something that had bothered me but i was unable to put into words why for years yeah

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 03:57 (six years ago) link

I am very very far from being anyone with standing to talk about this, but I did find it odd that the article talked almost exclusively about the colour aspect and barely at all about the queerness.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 12:16 (six years ago) link

This article is interesting, especially the guy who argues that the quickest way to get much, much stricter gun control laws in the US is for black people to start buying a bunch of guns.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link

that's an argument more or less every prominent radical black intellectual has made at one point or another. not sure that I really buy it in 2017 -- the terms of the debate are just not as they were in decades past. not to mention passing gun laws is going to get harder and harder, thanks to our judiciary and supreme court

good piece of journalism, thanks for sharing. I personally do not accept that there is a legitimate reason to own a gun. I'm white btw

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link

There are definitely legit reasons to own a gun, and I fully support black gun ownership even as an organized political platform. Personally, I have no interest in owning a gun, but my long term plan is to move out of the US, so.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link

the quickest way to get much, much stricter gun control laws in the US is for black people to start buying a bunch of guns.

do you mean, buying legal guns that can be easily traced if one were used to in a crime?

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

*used in a crime

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

and whether or not the registered owner of said gun had any knowledge or responsibility of the crime, the racist criminal justice system could fuck up their lives?

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link

I wonder what would happen if a bunch of black people started open carrying at Target

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link

there was a shooting a couple weeks ago in the parking lot of the Target near me. Pretty sure both perp and victim were black.

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

I understand why some people may feel that it is in their best interest to own a gun, particularly recently. it is an irrational belief held by people of all races.

a handful of people interviewed for that article wrestled with that issue, the idea that even though they realized having a gun made them no safer, or even less safe, they felt compelled to own one anyway. it's not my place to judge that individual decision. I'm glad it's not something I have to personally consider

some of them were just run of the mill gun nuts, which in a way was refreshing to read

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

you could own one and keep it locked in a secure gun safe forever with the expensive silverware and china you inherited when grandma died -- I don't know if that would really do anything as far as safety/increased risk of accidental death ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link

i think you could find a lot of examples alongside gun ownership where people are rationally aware that the thing they are doing does not protect them but they do it anyway, culture is way deeper than rationality

a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link

certainly

k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/15/under-trump-a-hard-test-for-howard-university

found this to be a very interesting read

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link

Not that it makes it any less a tragedy, but that seems to be from last year, when The Root was still The Root.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:57 (six years ago) link

oh, sorry. someone was tweeting it out as new.

j., Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link

1. First, download and install VRChat on Steam. The game is entirely free-to-play and doesn't actually require a VR headset like its name implies. Oh, and prepare to lose dozens of hours of your life.

2. While installing, begin working on your Ugandan accent. This will come in handy later, as hinted in the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=94&v=Hxjofn2bYE

Milton Parker, Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link

I'm not going to say that I didn't find the early ones kind of funny, or that I don't understand how human nature automatically responds to a phenomenon like VRChat with exactly this kind of role playing, and that if you watch the evolution of the meme on the youtube compilations in chronological order from last december, you can see how it starts off as affectionate surrealism -- ignorant, but more WTF than hateful (the one where someone shows up as Ugandan Knuckles driving a minature tank whie screaming in Russian while the volga boatmen theme plays is amazing) -- then of course it hits meme supernova and the hordes show up. It reminds of me the scene in Bamboozled at the Mantan premiere where the act is so over the top racist that the white audience is stunned speechless, leaving them desperately looking around for cues as to how they're supposed to respond, until Mantan finally lands a genuinely funny joke and gets a mild supportive laugh from the black audience, at which point it becomes 'ok' for everyone to laugh, and then the tone of the laughter changes

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/articles/a-guide-to-finding-da-wae-as-ugandan-knuckles-in-10-easy-steps/85559040/

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/articles/this-is-what-ugandan-knuckles-looks-like-in-real-life/85553266/

Milton Parker, Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

and, if you're unfamiliar with twitty's work, further reading for followup:
https://afroculinaria.com/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link

You can’t learn everything from the crossword section of StormFront.

oh snaps

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link


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