I Never MENA Hurt You; I Never MENA Make You Cry 2017 (Middle East, North Africa, and Other Geopolitical Hotspots)

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Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman has warned Syria that Israel will destroy its air defense system if Syria fires an anti-aircraft missile at Israeli aircraft again.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/19/middleeast/israel-syria-air-defenses-liberman/

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 March 2017 16:12 (seven years ago) link

Well good luck with that. If it was that easy, it would probably have been done.

Frederik B, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

done by whom? FSA or ISIS? i don't doubt israel could do it but the considerations would obviously be what kind of reaction it would invite from hezbollah, iran, or even russia.

Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link

Wasn't the whole reason the US wouldn't do a no-fly zone that the cost of destroying the Syrian air defense system was too high? Obama didn't hold back out of care for the Syrians.

Frederik B, Monday, 20 March 2017 23:44 (seven years ago) link

Maintaining ongoing control of air space seems a bit more ambitious to me than bombing air facilities once.

Mordy, Monday, 20 March 2017 23:51 (seven years ago) link

Well, yes, but one bombing raid wouldn't 'destroy' it's air defence system.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 00:36 (seven years ago) link

I seem to recall there were ongoing negotiations with the Russians as to where they and US air would operate. The situation is vastly more complicated than Iraq, Bosnia, and Libya.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link

Both ruling Kurdistan (KRG) parties KDP and PUK have agreed today to hold the referendum for independence this year.

Now they've been saying this for years and years, but it seems it's really going to happen this time. An overwhelming pro-independence vote is to be expected. It will be interesting to see how Baghdad, but especially Erdogan will respond to this.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 2 April 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link

they won't like it. seems like tillerson's pow-wow with erdogan has the kurds believing the usa will risk much erdogan unhappiness to keep the kurds fighting isis.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 2 April 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link

Baghdad is at least willing to play ball and negotiate. And Barzani, KRG's president is on relative good terms with Erdo (which leads to Kurds from Syria and Iran criticizing him a lot). He has to, in a way, but they'll have some leverage. Baghdad knows independence is on the cards. I don't think the Kurds see the US as a strong reliable partner any more, they've been disappointed too much in the past. But the fighting Isis argument is a strong one no one can deny tbh.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 2 April 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/03/white-house-meeting-with-egypts-tyrant-highlights-key-trump-effect-unmasking-u-s-policy/

Greenwald take on the longstanding US support of Egypt and Bahrain, and how now its just more out in the open as Sisi is at the White House today I think

curmudgeon, Monday, 3 April 2017 16:12 (seven years ago) link

pretty otm i can't disagree w/ anything he writes there

Mordy, Monday, 3 April 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link

i do wonder how long we're going to have to wait into the new administration tho before glenn just frames his critiques as being against the administration as opposed to using trump to make a point about how bad the democrats are

Mordy, Monday, 3 April 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link

Can we poll this question with him and Morbs?

Frederik B, Monday, 3 April 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link

Ha ha. I think one option has to be "Greenwald will always just use T administration as a foil to make a point about how bad the Democratic party is"

curmudgeon, Monday, 3 April 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link

There are ten thousand journalists pointing out why Trump is bad, I think the world can cope with a handful pointing out that Trump is bad and the Democrats should be substantially better on major issues than they have been.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 3 April 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link

Ya soglasen, comrade.

Mordy, Monday, 3 April 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link

Of course we can cope. That's what the poll is for.

Frederik B, Monday, 3 April 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/un-security-council-holds-emergency-meeting-syria-chemical-attack/

Russia has threatened to veto any resolution by the UN security council on a suspected chemical attack in Syria which is feared to have killed dozens of civilians, including children, claiming it is based on "false information."

Meanwhile

"No one — not even President Obama, as far as I could tell — was satisfied with the Obama administration’s approach to the conflict in Syria," Andrew Exum, who was an Obama appointee at the Pentagon, writes for The Atlantic. "But if you assembled all of the Obama administration’s critics in one room, they would not agree on an obvious alternative. The problem is wicked enough to confound easy solutions, and each policy alternative had strategic and moral deficiencies."

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link

45's tweet versus-

After Syria attack, US Ambassador to UN Nikki Haley asks, "How many more children have to die before Russia cares?"

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link

Has Trump really changed his mind re Syria?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 6 April 2017 04:42 (seven years ago) link

fwiw i think the conspiracy theorizing is asinine but i'm not convinced assad ordered this strike. it really doesn't make much sense considering the course of the war so far and how it almost demands a response from trump. nb that doesn't mean that it was a false flag. it could've been ordered by someone lower down in the hierarchy of command. i've seen some ppl speculating that it could've been an airstrike hitting a chemical storage site and releasing the material (nb nb nb i have no idea how plausible this scenario is).

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link

That is the speculation Russia initially put forward but it's apparently thought that most nerve agents would combust if hit by a direct strike.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link

the Russian explanation looks like serious ass-covering, shifting blame to the *rebels* since it was their warehouse full of chemical weapons etc.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link

I don't find it v plausible but what do I know.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link

All I know is that an order from Assad to drop chemicals at this point would be completely illogical and would gain him no advantages in his attempt to regain control of Syria and only jeopardize his hold on power which, for the first time in years, looks like it might be reestablished.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link

so this happened:
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Jpost-Exclusive-Moscow-surprisingly-says-west-Jerusalem-is-Israels-capital-486336

MOSCOW SURPRISINGLY SAYS WEST JERUSALEM IS ISRAEL'S CAPITAL
BYHERB KEINON APRIL 6, 2017 17:36
No other country in the world recognizes any part of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link

Makes me wonder what was the secret part of the deal and what, if anything, does this recognition do to benefit the USA or its policies regarding the Mideast?

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link

The mainstream speculation is that he did it to guarantee Russia a place (/the place/?) at the table for upcoming Israel/Palestine negotiations. Who knows what he has agreed to w/ Bibi behind closed doors - they've been meeting a lot recently. It seems like Israel was not prepared for the announcement (they haven't commented yet). Maybe he wants to divert attention from Syria? Maybe he is buying Israeli cooperation/coordination on Syria/ISIS/something else?

Vis-a-vis the US I can't think of how it would actively benefit them. If anything it removes one of the bargaining chips they've kept on the table to use against Israel and if there's no concerted blowback from Arab nations it'll discredit American intelligence who claimed it was too dangerous to do. I think it'll make it more likely that the US moves the embassy but v hard to predict Trump. Maybe Putin was just pissed about the bombing (but he seems a bit too clever to be making major geopolitical decisions out of anger).

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link

All I know is that an order from Assad to drop chemicals at this point would be completely illogical and would gain him no advantages in his attempt to regain control of Syria and only jeopardize his hold on power which, for the first time in years, looks like it might be reestablished.

He's been dropping chemicals and God knows what else for years now, and getting away with it, what makes now any different?

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link

[citation needed?]

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link

The JPost article won't load for me so it might make it clear there but the statement positions West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in a future context in which East Jerusalem becomes the capital of an independent Palestinian state - which seems different to unilaterally doing so - as Trump was hinting at doing. Xps.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

SV: "While officials in Jerusalem interpreted this to mean that recognition of west Jerusalem as Israel’s capital will only come once east Jerusalem becomes the capital of a Palestinian state, The Jerusalem Post has learned that Moscow intends this recognition to go into effect immediately."

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:27 (seven years ago) link

xp I wouldn't consider that "dropping chemicals... for years now" nor "getting away with it." it was a major event that almost led to direct US intervention that was only staved off bc they agreed to give all their chemical weapons to the Russians.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link

they agreed to give all their chemical weapons to the Russians.

Yes, that's worked out well, hasn't it?

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link

I don't know how it has worked out. Have there been continual attacks before this week? It has been quiet enough on that front that Kerry called the agreement a success. Is it totally clear what happened this week? Not to me.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link

Heard a onetime Obama admin guy asserting that Assad gave up "most" of the chemical weapons in that deal, and thus it was still a success. He doubled down on that phrasing when asked a follow-up about how Assad was supposed to have given up all, and then proceeded to say that the Russians must be mad at Assad for having done this now.

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 April 2017 14:24 (seven years ago) link

Ahmadinejad has submitted his name for the presidential elections.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 08:47 (seven years ago) link

Banner day for Iran lunatics:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/opinion/why-is-trump-fighting-isis-in-syria.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

This is a time for Trump to be Trump — utterly cynical and unpredictable. ISIS right now is the biggest threat to Iran, Hezbollah, Russia and pro-Shiite Iranian militias — because ISIS is a Sunni terrorist group that plays as dirty as Iran and Russia.

Trump should want to defeat ISIS in Iraq. But in Syria? Not for free, not now. In Syria, Trump should let ISIS be Assad’s, Iran’s, Hezbollah’s and Russia’s headache — the same way we encouraged the mujahedeen fighters to bleed Russia in Afghanistan.

That worked out grand last time, didn't it?

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link

Oh, a Thomas L. Friedman column.

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 April 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link

didn't link to Krauthamer's column

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link

So Erdogan had unlimited funds, controls the media, silenced opposition, intimidated voters, and still only manages a 51vs49% win in the referendum. Embarrassing.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link

tbf after almost a century ppl are probably pretty attached to democracy

Mordy, Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link

Shame half of the ppl voted democracy in the bin then.

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link

if u were wondering what the US gov thought about all this
https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/854059951106424836

BREAKING Presidential sources: US President Trump calls Turkish President Erdoğan to congratulate him on #Turkeyreferendum result.

Mordy, Monday, 17 April 2017 23:33 (seven years ago) link

Ugh, though not surprised.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 04:49 (seven years ago) link

same old, same old

Syria's military said Israel struck a military installation southwest of Damascus International Airport before dawn Thursday, setting off a series of explosions and raising tensions further between the two neighbors.

Apparently seeking to interrupt weapons transfers to the Hezbollah group in Lebanon, Israel has struck inside Syria with increasing frequency in recent weeks, making the war-torn country a proxy theater for Israel's wider war with Iran.

http://time.com/4758928/israel-syria-strikes-iran/

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 April 2017 14:53 (seven years ago) link


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