Tango in the Night POLL (Fleetwood Mac)

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Guys, not sure why you are circling the wagons here. It's no crime to be put off by Stevie. It doesn't mean you're a misogynist. It doesn't mean that she doesn't add something essential to the Fleetwood Mac venn diagram. And it doesn't mean her lyrics aren't more personally involving than Lindsey or Christine's. The elaborate cultural critiques of how people listen to music and how they "refuse" to hear what makes her great seem wholly unnecessary.

Stevie isn't for everyone. For many, her bleat needs sweetening. For my part, I like her best in small doses. And while I think Say You Will to be her most consistent set of songs, I find that I miss McVie more on that record than I do Stevie on Tango In the Night.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:33 (three years ago) link

as alfred and tim already said i don't take issue with considering nicks the least of the three fleetwood mac songwriters but i take issue with the methods by which ppl itt have arrived at that conclusion, e.g. describing nicks' songs reductively as "stock '70s california soft rock," a description that mcvie's and buckingham's songs don't necessarily escape and which is at least partially a consequence of buckingham's production

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:12 (three years ago) link

and Nicks' best solo songs ("Stand Back," "I Can't Wait," "Edge of Seventeen," "Rooms on Fire," a couple others) don't sound like California soft rock either.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:20 (three years ago) link

as alfred and tim already said i don't take issue with considering nicks the least of the three fleetwood mac songwriters but i take issue with the methods by which ppl itt have arrived at that conclusion, e.g. describing nicks' songs reductively as "stock '70s california soft rock"

No, not all of her songs, just those songs that I applied the description to, which should have been blatantly obvious simply by reading the post.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:30 (three years ago) link

Some serious over-reacting by the Stevie Nicks fanclub itt.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:32 (three years ago) link

I think we can all agree that FM minus Bucky is pretty bad, and that since his addition in 1975 or whenever he has been pretty essential to its existence and operation.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:37 (three years ago) link

They all are. Every one. Including the rhythm section, which we haven't mentioned.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:38 (three years ago) link

Yes, what I meant is that on at least two, possibly three occasions, the band would not have released an album at all without Buckingham's intense participation.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:40 (three years ago) link

That is, Tusk, Tango and Say You Will you're all bolstered by ready to go Buckingham solo tracks. The rhythm section absolutely makes everybody better, which is why they show up on a couple of those solo tracks, including cuts like Trouble.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:42 (three years ago) link

Sorry for the messy voice to text, I hope any that makes any sense.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:42 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I take a crack at it. Thanks, thread!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 March 2017 01:42 (three years ago) link

Whenever I sing the chorus of 'Little Lies', I always pinch my nose to do Stevie's bit.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Friday, 31 March 2017 01:55 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

i got the reissue not that long ago so i've been listening to it a lot. it's funny to read the diverse reactions to welcome to the room....sara over the years. i didn't know it at all but it grabbed me right away--it's awkward and weird and tossed off but it has *something,* maybe in the big open chorus vocal and the way the backing vox come in, that i really like.

other big takeaway was john mcvie's playing on "little lies," a song i knew well but had never really dug into. i might think it's his best work in classic mac, which is saying something. he's the driving force in that song.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:57 (two years ago) link

it's a perfect Christine McVie song too

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:03 (two years ago) link

I think "Everywhere" is more perfect, but "Little Lies" is more ... mysterious?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:01 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Sad seven wonders got no votes but this is a hard poll. Probably everywhere

kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:44 (two years ago) link

T-ANN-GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:47 (two years ago) link

Alfred, do you still feel Honey, Hi is a dud??

kolakube (Ross), Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:21 (two years ago) link

Yes -- an innocuous one.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:21 (two years ago) link

Alternative Tango coming for RSD

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:33 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

Stevie's interjections in the "Little Lies" extended remix are A+

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 01:43 (two years ago) link

This seems as a good as a place as any to air my suspicions (maybe this is common knowledge?) that the Lindsey-sung tracks on Tango (and Tusk) are pretty much all Lindsey, playing or programming everything, with a few exceptions and cameos.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 02:06 (two years ago) link

I assumed so from the beginning, "Caroline" and the title track in particular.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 02:46 (two years ago) link

not so much on Tusk.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 02:47 (two years ago) link

Pretty sure "Big Love" is just him, too. And "Family Man." Basically anything featuring his pitch-altered/sampled vocals. With "Tusk" it's a little more obvious which tracks are just him banging around in the bathroom. Though of course stuff like the title track and "What Makes You Think You're the One" and "Walk a Thin Line" feature at least Mick banging away as well.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 02:57 (two years ago) link

I saw something about having Mick replace the drums on "Big Love" with a copycat performance.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 August 2018 03:21 (two years ago) link

didn't he have Mick and John rerecord all the drum and bass tracks?

niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 06:15 (two years ago) link

He might have. Mick and John pop up on his solo albums as well. There are so many drum overdubs on "Big Love," specifically - those kind of marching fills at the end, cymbal washes, little fills - that it makes sense some of that is Mick (who iirc at the time of "Tango" was totally zonked out and living in a trailer in Lindsey's yard). Most of it sounds like programming or something Lindsey could do, but Mick can be such a smooth drummer maybe it is him. Not even sure I've ever even noticed a bass on "Big Love!" Or keys. Has the band ever played it live as a band?

There are definitely a few complete Lindsey solo tracks that got ported over directly to "Say You Will" with either Mick and John on the original track or sort of dubbed on later.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:40 (two years ago) link

They do 'Big Love' all the time but as Lindsey's Acoustic Moment.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:50 (two years ago) link

But never as a full band, right?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:54 (two years ago) link

Playing Big Love as a full band would just obfuscate the insane skill level required to play that guitar part and then manage to sing on top of it.

The version on Tango In The Night was such a missed opportunity. If he had recorded it in the mode of "Never Going Back Again", it would have been a classic. But it was 1987, not 1977, so instead we got the porn backing vocals and the miami vice production.

enochroot, Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:56 (two years ago) link

the og big love is great, how can you float "miami vice production" as a criticism and listen to the rest of the album

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:58 (two years ago) link

i'd like to suggest instead that it's lindsey's horny version of "running up that hill"

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:59 (two years ago) link

fair point, i suppose i do have the same issue with the rest of the album.

big love just feels different because of the missed opportunity. i remember when that song came out, and I just didn't connect with it all -- the "ugh/ahh" part at the end was really the defining element of the song. then several decades later, i heard a version of lindsay performing it solo, and it was stunning. i really couldn't believe it was the same song. or rather couldn't believe that the song he was playing was buried somewhere in the album version.

enochroot, Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:07 (two years ago) link

"running up that hill" is already v v horny
xp

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:21 (two years ago) link

but "big love" is def kate bushy and why i think it is dope af

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:21 (two years ago) link

can we ban "Miami Vice production" as criticism and phrase?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:43 (two years ago) link

i'd like to suggest instead that it's lindsey's horny version of "running up that hill"

― princess of hell (BradNelson),

I'd long thought "Caroline" was but otm

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:44 (two years ago) link

can we ban "Miami Vice production" as criticism and phrase?

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:43 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, if anything it should be projected on the walls of every recording studio as a deterrent

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:58 (two years ago) link

feel free to substitute "VHS cover meme"

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 16:58 (two years ago) link

alfred, thanks for the tip on little lies extended mix - have to hear that

sleepy sweet (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:04 (two years ago) link

The term "Miami Vice production" as a catch-all name for mid-to-late '80s production trends is useless, anyway.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:06 (two years ago) link

Miami Vice used Bryan Ferry and Andy Taylor in its soundtracks: two distinct hair visions for the eighties.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:07 (two years ago) link

I mean sure, you can tell that Tango in the Night, No Jacket Required, Born in the U.S.A. and Songs from the Big Chair all came out in the same decade, but the productions are still different from one another.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:09 (two years ago) link

Also, I can't believe we're in 2018 and we're still seeing '80s records being criticised for sounding like records that were made in the '80s.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:11 (two years ago) link

I was thinking more of modern-day records that strive to sound dated

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 17:23 (two years ago) link

Yet it's perfectly acceptable for Guided by Voices to record on 4-tracks and The White Stripes to record on old analogue equipment?

"Dated" isn't a pejorative, btw.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:08 (two years ago) link

it is a sound I find highly unpleasant to listen to, how's that

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:11 (two years ago) link

That's better!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 18:12 (two years ago) link


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