*rising alt-cache
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
The French term for a bachelor party is "enterrement de vie de garçon", burial of life as a boy.
― jmm, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
idk i guess Neil probably is a father figure to guys with pepe avatars and the like.
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
Anyways, what qualified ABBA for inclusion in 1995, Miriel's Wedding ? xxxp
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
ABBA Gold was a case of a new compilation turning a lot of next gen kids on to an old band, tbh.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
no scholarly or descriptive howlers that i can recall (i'm p rusty on this stuff myself) in the stockhausen/xenakis section [filed under "electronic music/musique concrete] -- but the case made for it to be there is pedestrian-to-unconvincing (rappers use tape splicing kinda! sonic youth paid hommage to karlheinz w.the sleeve of a single! cardew prefigured punk rock! metal machine music!) and strauss makes no attempt to sift the good from the bad even on its own terms, let alone the book's
abba *very* feebly covered in rolling stone red (1980): two stars for everything except gtst hits, "a fixed cheeriness pervades" listen again ken tucker
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
Weisbard saw the intersection of dance music (and queer identity therein) and pop and novelty weirdness as essentially alternative (cf. his MTV Party to Go entry) and Abba was a precursor to that the same way that Kiss was to to the intersection of pop and metal and novelty weirdness (cf. grunge).
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, I think the intro essay and the tone of the pieces really make a good argument for every inclusion in the book. The only places it trips over its dick is trying to guess what '92-'95 hype bands were going to have longer legs. Good lookin out on PJ Harvey, Moby, Bjork and the Wu-Tang Clan. Bad lookin out on the Pooh Sticks, Freedy Johnston and Bettie Serveert
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
And that is to say no one taxed to that job in any year would have bat 1.000 trying to do that
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
The Pitchfork 500 ends with like The Go Team, Art Brut, Peter Bjorn and John and Johnny Boy(?)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
these 4,205 YouTube views a living testament to one of the 500 greatest songs of from punk to the present
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNTUAQ6F74k
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
idk i feel like i hear YOUNG FOLKS more than i hear the damned beatles sometimes, i wish Peter Bjorn and John didn't have this kind of shelf life.
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link
Speaking of forecasting big things: Belly's King got an 8 or 9 at the same time it got ravishing reviews in SPIN and that infamous RS cover.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
http://gossipbrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Belly-Rolling-Stone.jpghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HLxpWGCzc
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
post-punk power pop!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
RS Style
Paul Reiser
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
The 90s were so good
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
the '90s were a good decade to wear spangled outfits for magazine covers
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
or nothing
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr02/20/9/enhanced-buzz-3114-1395322343-15.jpg
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link
Wow, Shannon Hoon looks about 15 in that pic.
― You're going to see a lot of love. Okay? Thank you. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
if we're posting 90s alt-rock RS covers, no one is gonna top this, so
http://stmedia.stimg.co/ctyp_6636228RS_Nov9_soulasylum_250.jpg?w=800
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
remember when Live won artist of the year? neither did i.
https://images.wolfgangsvault.com/rolling-stone-issue-726/magazine/memorabilia/RS726-MZ.jpg
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
xp the band that really started the Fleetwood Mac revival with their White House performance of Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
does the Vaselines comp show up on any other list?
the vaselines comp belongs on pretty much all lists everywhere for all time.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
and pretty much every alt-leaning friend's collection through 2002
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
Munching popcorn, smiling
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link
I still can't believe Mission of Burma wasn't on the list.
― mondogarage, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link
their albums scored high though.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
The alternative tag always seemed sorta random, arbitrary. I agree that Sign of the Times is far and away the best music here. While I love lots of other albums here very few are from the 90s. Never crazy about the writing in Spin it always had this cool kids in school vibe to it. Hey maybe that makes me the original poptimist!
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
Dogshit Critic (m coleman)
haha
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
A MEMBER OF THE INFAMOUS DOGSHIT FOUR WEIGHS IN!!!!!!!
re: the light blue RS guide from 04, which FCC does not remember: while it is true that Scott S, some other ILXors and myself (I updated many of dogshit critics entries, like for post 92 records from Iggy, Nuge, Ozzy, as well as new shit for Shania Twain and Kylie) contributed to this edition, it is notable for how the editors let Rob Sheffield do far far too many entries.
― veronica moser, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
But his Paula Abdul entry is essential.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
Too many artists for Table of Contents, and my new replacement for dead 4-in-1 hasn't been delivered, so can't scan the index---let's see how this looks: ABBA (Barry Walters) ABC (Rob Sheffield) AC/DC (Natasha Stovall) Adam and the Ants (Sheffield) King Sunny Adé (Milo Miles) Adverts (Jonathan Bernstein) Afghan Whigs (Eric Weisbard) Alice In Chains (Gina Arnold) American Music Club (Weisbard) Tori Amos (Weisbard) Laurie Anderson (Ann Powers) Angry Samoans (Weisbard) Aphex Twin (also: AFX, Polygon Window)(Simon Reynolds) A.R. Kane (Reynolds) Arrested Development (Weisbard) Albert Ayler (K. Leander Williams) Aztec Camera (Johnny Huston)
― dow, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
Aphex Twin (also: AFX, Polygon Window)
Good luck when you get to the Adrian Sherwood entry
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
Pretty sure Siren is Christgau'd favorite Roxy Music album which may explain its presence here. I would've picked Avalon which is even more of an outlier.
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:47 (seven years ago) link
Lmao xp
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
10000 Maniacs were in this book right? I mean, what were they an alternative to besides good music?
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
heart xgau but boy is he not who i'd turn to to explain me britishes music
(avalon > siren)
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
Babes In Toyland (Huston) Bad Brains (Stovall) Bad Religion (Jonathan Gold) Derek Bailey (also in collaborations w Han Bennink, Anthony Braxton, Steve Lacy, Evan Parker, Cecil Taylor, John Zorn, and many many others) (Byron Coley) Afrika Bambaataa (also w James Brown, Shango) (S.H. Fernando Jr.) Bananarama (Sheffield) Bangles (Sheffield) Syd Barrett (Weisbard) Basehead (Colson Whitehead) Bats (Sheffield) Bauhaus (Joy Press) Beastie Boys (Sheffield) Beat Happening (incl. w Screaming Trees) (Arnold) Beck (Weisbard) Belly (Jen Fleissner) Bettie Serveert (Evelyn McDonnell) B-52s (Huston) Big Black (Ivan Kreilkamp) Big Star (also: Alex Chilton, Chris Bell) (Weisbard) Bikini Kill (Powers) Birthday Party (also: Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds) (Reynolds) Black Flag (Weisbard) Black Sabbath (Rob Michaels) Blake Babies (also: Juliana Hatfield) (Sheffield) Blasters (Weisbard) Blondie (Sheffield) Bongwater (Fleissner) Boogie Down Productions (also: KRS-One) (dream hampton) Borbetomagus (also: collabs w Voice Crack, Dietrich Sauter & Thurston Moore, and others) (Coley) Boredoms (Mike Rubin) David Bowie (also: Tin Machine) (Sheffield) Billy Bragg (Arnold) Glenn Branca (also: w John Giorno) (Coley) Bratmobile (Sheffield) Jeff Buckley (Coley) Tim Buckley (Peter Margasak) Kate Bush (Sheffield) Butthole Surfers (Jason Cohen) Buzzcocks (Walters)
― dow, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:52 (seven years ago) link
All the Roxy albums scored rather high iirc
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
Cabaret Voltaire (Mark Sinker) Caifanes (Ed Morales) John Cale (also: w Terry Riley, Brian Eno) (Powers) Camper Van Beethoven (also: Cracker) (Bill Wyman) Can (Reynolds) Cannanes (also: Ashtray Boy) (Fleissner) Captain Beefheart (Jeff Salamon) Cars (Sheffield) Rosanne Cash (Weisbard) Eugene Chadbourne (also: w Shockabilly, Violent Femmes, Sun City Girls, Camper Van Beethoven, and others) (Coley) Cheap Trick (Jim Greer) Neneh Cherry (Charles Aaron) Chic (Walters) Chills (Weisbard) Clash (Sheffield) Clean (Sheffield) Cocteau Twins (James Hannaham) Leonard Cohen (Weisbard) Ornette Coleman (also: w Pat Metheny) (Williams) Consolidated (Weisbard) Elvis Costello (Wyman) Cowboy Junkies (Will Hermes) Cramps (Jesse Berrett) Cranberries (Hannaham) Crass (Lee Foust) Marshall Crenshaw (Renee Crist) Culture Club (Sheffield) Cure (Sheffield) Cypress Hill (Chris Norris)
― dow, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link
hey now
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:15 (seven years ago) link
http://assets.teamrock.com/image/b4accdef-a1aa-4ce7-becd-bdd5dc35106f?w=800
― Odysseus, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:19 (seven years ago) link
serious q, people who think "the 90s were amazing" (or the 80s, or the 70s, or w/e) - how much "what that time meant to me at the time"/confirmation/experience bias math do you do? some? none? "this is objectively the case"?
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
I would say the 90s are hardest for me to evaluate because my personal listening experiences of the time are so bound up with it. The 90s were the time when I was buying/listening to the biggest volume of contemporary music in my life (free time + disposable income will do that). Unlike prior decades where there was lots of stuff I would only discover much later, with the 90s it's pretty rare that I go back and find something to like that I missed the first time around, and I don't feel much compulsion to revisit stuff I hated at the time to re-evaluate.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:49 (seven years ago) link
I think the 70s, 80s and 90s were all uniquely amazing, and I lived through the 00s and the 10s which pretty much suck shit from the rooter to the tooter
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
I think the 70s, 80s and 90s were all uniquely amazing
I agree w this (would also stick the 50s and 60s on there lol - I guess every decade is uniquely amazing! Except for the ones that happened on the internet)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:51 (seven years ago) link
yeah was just gonna type
its messy, but you can pretty much draw a line from Napster to President Trump
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:52 (seven years ago) link
I know for me it's pretty subjective, i.e. My love of early 80s R&B postpunk new pop is tied in with middle age nostalgia for my 20s (yuk, ik) while the first half of the 90s was a real mixed bag personally. I'd like to think my musical tastes are at least partly objective but I don't trust myself.
― Dogshit Critic (m coleman), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:54 (seven years ago) link
The 90s were so good― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:09 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:09 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
A guy I once worked with once said to me he believed the '90s were the worst decade for music ever. I have no idea what the hell he was basing this opinion on.
― Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 22:33 (seven years ago) link