" I still can't believe there's no Melvins or Fishbone entries in this book"
this may be down to the fact that Weisbard (and to a certain extent C. Marks) may not have been too keen on the aggro/testost-y aspect. Somewhere in the book, the MC5 is referred to as quasi frat boys, I don't believe there's any am rep shit or Misfits, and more or less metal was still at this time very present in the culture and in no way had metal culture and "alt" culture made peace.
― veronica moser, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, they hated industrial too iirc (which I very well may not)? Kind of funny to remember this supposed rivalry. I remember wondering who this book could have been meant for. The mainstream alt-rock listening kids I knew were just as likely to listen to Metallica or RHCP or NIN as Nirvana; the punk kids were mostly into hardcore (or crust punk) and extreme metal; the goth kids listened to industrial, synthpop, and female singer-songwriters. I think I figured it would make sense when I went to university.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 14:51 (seven years ago) link
(Obv answer: it was meant for me.)
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link
yeah, me too
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
I never owned this book, but this is reminding me that Spin's top 50 punk albums list from 2001 had a big impact on me. My first exposure to a bunch of post-punk bands.
― jmm, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
Ha, although looking now, they had an album released by RCA in the U.S. (Recurring)??? That's news to me.
Recurring was well-distributed enough in the states that I could find it in my shitty little town. Although I wouldn't expect it to be on this list tbh (much as I love it)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
so many good records here but only one changed the course of my life and i'll bet you can guess which one (i'm 40)― alpine static, Monday, March 13, 2017 11:27 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― alpine static, Monday, March 13, 2017 11:27 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Same here, but I'm much older, and mine's likely a different record. Then, now, forever: B-52's.
Three others that didn't change the course of my life, and I don’t play nearly as often, that were still hugely influential to me in various ways: Modern Lovers, Gang of Four, Minutemen.
― You're going to see a lot of love. Okay? Thank you. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
I'm still not sure which one alpine static meant. Nevermind?
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link
that'd be my guess, but it doesn't seem obvious
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
Halo of Flies has an entry, as does Helmet and yes def Misfits. Even Primus has an entry. Also AC/DC and Sabbath. Other stoner bands like Kyuss and Vitus missed out, but considering how hugely in thrall this book is to the Nirvana phenomenon (does the Vaselines comp show up on any other list?) Lack of a Melvins entry seems really o_0
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I was doing my re-read recently, and was astonished that like THREE OR FOUR entries mention the Melvins, sometimes in passing, and Buzz even does a Top 10, but they don't get an entry
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
Not like I need one at this point, but it's def funny
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link
At one point I def had an idea for a thread about the most perverse omission from this book: Melvins definitely, Fishbone too, considering that Living Color and King's X (& RHCP/Primus) have entries. The book somewhat apologizes for excluding Game Theory in the foreword (as well they should). I'd also say Pop Group, Chrome, probably Blue Oyster Cult. Fleetwood Mac probably belongs there, too.
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link
Fleetwood Mac was a P4k era retcon, in 1995 they were the corny band the president liked and Hole didn't do their cover until 1996
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
BOC & Fleetwood Mac perhaps too much of the trad RS canon Spin were gerrymandering their way around
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
plus whiney otm
has anyone quizzed weisbard on the editorial choices made over who gets left out? (question partly inspired by reading wikipedia entry for the rolling stone series and having to quell a spasm of irritation when it said that duke ellington was one of the artists omitted from later volumes)
zorn in, zappa out is an excellent corrective obv bcz fuck him, sometimes you earn yr deserts
pop group vanishingly unavailable at this date i think (y was no.2 in my 10 so not entirely absent from the book)
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
wtf at no.9 in my 10: sonic youth "the walls have ears" -- rest is acceptable except new picnic time is the best ubu not modern dance
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
he mentioned in the intro that Squeeze no longer met the tenets of the book's thesis or something – an odd thing to say about Squeeze in 1994.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
"alternative" is by definition a word that ports in a statue-felling manifesto with it
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
I mean, "Hourglass" was being played next to Kenny Loggins at that point, so I get it
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
wish i'd put a squeeze lp in my 10 for that sonic youth tbh, i far prefer squeeze now and liked em then (but i probably didn't then file em under alt, more fool me)
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
but then we get to the discussion about Madonna's inclusion and then I'd say Madonna sounded alternative in 1994 than Squeeze ever did and I say eh why bother.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
Can I just point out that the dorkiest, most insular nerd entries in the book – Stockhausen/Xenakis/Varese, La Monte Young, Negativland — were written by the dude who would become a probable millionaire writing a book on how to psychologically trick the most women into letting you blow loads in them
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
dreams of fuckin a musique concrète bitch
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Strauss has continued to be involved with pickup artistry through his dating coaching company Stylelife Academy, founded in 2007. Most of the coaching is done by employed coaches, rather than Strauss himself, though he does make appearances at yearly conferences and in some video products sold by the company.[24]In 2012, Strauss released a board game/party game as a follow up to The Game and Rules of the Game called "Who's Got Game? The Game with Benefits."[25]On August 31, 2013, Strauss married the model Ingrid De La O, whom he met in 2010. Before the wedding, he held a funeral-themed bachelor's party, laying to rest his 'Style' persona.[26]In March 2015, Strauss had a child and shared it on his website,[27] along with information on his new book, The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships, which was released on October 13, 2015. The Truth, a sequel to The Game, covers his struggles to build and maintain a relationship with Ingrid after his years of immersion in the seduction community.
In 2012, Strauss released a board game/party game as a follow up to The Game and Rules of the Game called "Who's Got Game? The Game with Benefits."[25]
On August 31, 2013, Strauss married the model Ingrid De La O, whom he met in 2010. Before the wedding, he held a funeral-themed bachelor's party, laying to rest his 'Style' persona.[26]
In March 2015, Strauss had a child and shared it on his website,[27] along with information on his new book, The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships, which was released on October 13, 2015. The Truth, a sequel to The Game, covers his struggles to build and maintain a relationship with Ingrid after his years of immersion in the seduction community.
this is probably the saddest career and life arc i can imagine
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
years of immersion in the seduction community.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Ha, I don't know who that is but I don't think I ever knew that those composers were reviewed in this book. 3xp I guess I know who it was now. Huh.
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Ever heard of a funeral before getting married? Well its and idea most man do think about burying the inner single-bad boy before tying the knot but “The Game” author 39-year-old Neil Strauss is actually holding a funeral to burry his freedom for his alter ego “Styles” before tying the knot to his model/girlfriend Ingrid de la O!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
― nomar, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:19 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the sad arc that ends with untold riches and marriage to a model
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
Fleetwood Mac was a P4k era retcon, in 1995 they were the corny band the president liked and Hole didn't do their cover until 1996― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 1:00 PM (nineteen minutes ago)
Well...Pumpkins' cover of "Landslide" (which was the turning point for that song becoming a classic rock staple) was '94, but I misremembered the Hole cover. There was a Newsweek article iirc around 96 about Mac's rusing alt-cache
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
*rising alt-cache
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
The French term for a bachelor party is "enterrement de vie de garçon", burial of life as a boy.
― jmm, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
idk i guess Neil probably is a father figure to guys with pepe avatars and the like.
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link
Anyways, what qualified ABBA for inclusion in 1995, Miriel's Wedding ? xxxp
― jorts l0chinski (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
ABBA Gold was a case of a new compilation turning a lot of next gen kids on to an old band, tbh.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
no scholarly or descriptive howlers that i can recall (i'm p rusty on this stuff myself) in the stockhausen/xenakis section [filed under "electronic music/musique concrete] -- but the case made for it to be there is pedestrian-to-unconvincing (rappers use tape splicing kinda! sonic youth paid hommage to karlheinz w.the sleeve of a single! cardew prefigured punk rock! metal machine music!) and strauss makes no attempt to sift the good from the bad even on its own terms, let alone the book's
abba *very* feebly covered in rolling stone red (1980): two stars for everything except gtst hits, "a fixed cheeriness pervades" listen again ken tucker
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
Weisbard saw the intersection of dance music (and queer identity therein) and pop and novelty weirdness as essentially alternative (cf. his MTV Party to Go entry) and Abba was a precursor to that the same way that Kiss was to to the intersection of pop and metal and novelty weirdness (cf. grunge).
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, I think the intro essay and the tone of the pieces really make a good argument for every inclusion in the book. The only places it trips over its dick is trying to guess what '92-'95 hype bands were going to have longer legs. Good lookin out on PJ Harvey, Moby, Bjork and the Wu-Tang Clan. Bad lookin out on the Pooh Sticks, Freedy Johnston and Bettie Serveert
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
And that is to say no one taxed to that job in any year would have bat 1.000 trying to do that
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
The Pitchfork 500 ends with like The Go Team, Art Brut, Peter Bjorn and John and Johnny Boy(?)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
these 4,205 YouTube views a living testament to one of the 500 greatest songs of from punk to the present
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNTUAQ6F74k
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
idk i feel like i hear YOUNG FOLKS more than i hear the damned beatles sometimes, i wish Peter Bjorn and John didn't have this kind of shelf life.
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:01 (seven years ago) link
Speaking of forecasting big things: Belly's King got an 8 or 9 at the same time it got ravishing reviews in SPIN and that infamous RS cover.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
http://gossipbrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Belly-Rolling-Stone.jpghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HLxpWGCzc
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
post-punk power pop!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
RS Style
Paul Reiser
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
The 90s were so good
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
the '90s were a good decade to wear spangled outfits for magazine covers
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
or nothing
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr02/20/9/enhanced-buzz-3114-1395322343-15.jpg
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link