Dogs & Cats, Living Together: TV's Legion

well la dee da arent u smart lol jk

I too make the mistake often of drinking while TVing. Then promptly declaring i have no effing idea whats going on all the way thru. That last Sherlock episode ruined me. No way I could be drunk watching Legion. I'd never have a clue.

(I am notoriously faceblind with TV/movies, though)

I drove Mr Veg bananas when we watched Fringe. Felt like three times an episode I'd have to pause it like "EXPLAIN WHAT THE BLOODY EFF IS GOING ON PLEASE"

Mr Veg Bananas would be an excellent login

lol

A lot of tv shows, I'll often have a laptop or tablet on just to keep up with football scores or browse twitter etc.

With Legion I have to make sure they're all powered off and in another room out of temptation's way. And I still miss things.

this fucken show

Finally saw the first ep and loved it. My wife was harder to convince, since she likes neither people with powers stories nor "what is real!?" type stories. I told her to at least give it another try, since she conceded it looked cool and the acting was solid.

the teaser for next week's show explaining the underlying premise for this week's show in case you didn't get it was something

this fucken show

All the lynch refs were a little ham handed, but love all the rest.

So, I can gather this much now:
- Lenny is the Parasite/Devil with Yellow Eyes and has probably been attached/in Davids head since birth or early childhood
- it was fairly blatantly hinted that his dad is Charles X but I guess that'll all come out soon?
- at this point I'm wondering if most of these characters now reside in his head, even if they were real at some time in the past? There were some curious things that hinted that to my mind: Ptonomy tells the story of his mother dying in the kitchen in front of him, while he plays with some silly putty. In a later scene in Clockworks, David is playing with some silly putty. Theres a cloud over what happened to Davids mother. What if Ptonomy's memory is actually Davids?

And by which I mean, are all these people just cyphers for Davids own memories? Itd explain why Lenny/Devilgoo man was grilling all of them on various part happenings, but the dialogue smoothly moved as though it was all aimed at one person.

Various PAST happening argh.

I wasn't digging this after 3 or 4 episodes — it felt slow and hammily acted — but I'm totally on board now.

Its a show that I think demands a lot from its audience, inthat it loads it with clues and red herrings and imagery and whatnot. I know zip about the comics and I'm still getting a lot out of this, though tbf I've been doing some side-reads.

Have they been helping at all?

Also I totally missed the blatant hint, I guess?

Reddit page has yeah! Though a lot is obv speculation.

Blatant hint: his real father (Lenny saying to him "I know your father")

Sorry that should clarify with, if you know the Legion comics story (its an unavoidable spoiler I fell over the minute I looked up info on this show/comic)

also the stuff about him being so noble which is a common complaint ppl have about X

Yeah see I didnt catch that not knowing the Xmen story so well, but yeah.
BF complained this episode was too slow, didnt advance the story enough. I get what he means, but I wasnt bothered, because it did a lot of exposition and we're at the point it badly needed some, I think.

tbf 1/2 of the stories are about Xavier's intentions being noble and the other half are him doing or admitting to really heinous shit

yeah Mr Veg is getting annoyed that the story isnt going anywhere atm

idk, i still dig it. no clue whats going on really

so lenny is 100% driving the bus now? is that what him in the coffin box in space means?

She/he/it is certainly trying to drive it 100% but not quite succeding, imo. Particulary because Syd has twigged, and is noticing things aren't right. And him being in lerv with her is throwing shit off too.

I'm predicting next weeks ep will be a massive in-brain shitfight.

Though also I'm curious about the Oliver part of things! He seems to be... trying to save them? He managed to get Cary on side (that was Cary in the diving bell at the end, right?)

yeah but idk even know what parts are even actually happening anymore

i mean the house where the gunfight is that they go "back" to is his memory construct too

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Hey Trayce, I'm not being clear, I think (or very possibly being dim): when you said "- it was fairly blatantly hinted that his dad is Charles X but I guess that'll all come out soon?", what was the hint, was it just "you have a real father", and we know that in the comic books his dad is Charles X?

I kind of think that any Deus Ex Machina of this figure that we've not seen before turning up (even if he's known in the larger world, and indeed is swearing his bollocks off in cinemas right now) would be a really weird way for the series to go - you have to finish the game with the pieces currently on the board.

The house is real though I think? Isn't that why he took his sister back there?

Not sure if it's been mentioned upthread but season two is a go.

yeah Mr Veg is getting annoyed that the story isnt going anywhere atm

I am with Mr Veg. I'm going to give this till the end of this season, but I fear it just may not be for me. I want my superhero stories to be full of superheroing, not explorations of what it means to be a superhero and what is superheroing anyway? Plus daddy issues, always the daddy issues. Don't get me wrong, I see that it is very good, but it is not what I want.

But there's about a million other superhero shows/movies you can watch if you want that. I'm finding it refreshing that Legion isn't really walking that path.

I've rewatched all six episodes now and it's definitely rewarding. So much to pick up on. Last week's episode had lots of callbacks to the pilot for instance.

And what's with the green dude who hides in the trees/bushes?

I fear that you are getting Trish wrong.

I can see that this is not a thread for complaints, and that's fine. It's not like I'm going to come here and bitch about every episode and my frustration with what I perceive as a disappointing lack of forward momentum. I really just wanted Mr Veg to know he wasn't alone.

I guess we'll find out very soon, but my impression of why Oliver was showing up has to do with where the episode is happening. I think the simulacrum mental institute that David's mind has put them in (being controlled by the malevolent yellow-eyed being) has been constructed on the astral plane. Since David's recently met Oliver on the astral plane, they're neighbors. So Oliver popped out of his little room and noticed there's a mental institute hanging around out there.

Well, we don't know that it's Oliver in the suit at all this episode - it could be Cary?

Maybe!

what was the hint, was it just "you have a real father", and we know that in the comic books his dad is Charles X?

Yeah sorry that was it, and this is just me, but I felt the part where she says to David 'Ive met your father" (or I know your father, whatever it was), felt like that was a callout we're about to hear more about. Maybe I am wrong!

Also no shade on trishy but I dont see this as a superhero show at all, tbh?

I'm his dad

No, I agree that the father is likely to be a element, either in the last two episodes or next season, but tbh with the show as it is now, I wouldn't be surprised if he was someone else.

god i love this show

new one excellent, best episode so far

No, I agree that the father is likely to be a element, either in the last two episodes or next season, but tbh with the show as it is now, I wouldn't be surprised if he was someone else.

I would like to clarify that my remarks here were taken out of context.

I haven't enjoyed any tv-nonsense as much as this since the parallel universes at war with each other in Fringe, which this series sort of reminds me of.

Not since Tomorrow's World have I had so much information dumped on me so elegantly by a TV show. Makes a really nice change from HBO-style sexposition.

haha i don't know how sincere that is, but i hope very because it's how i felt. i like that they waited so long to tell us anything and then did everything at once so you can't be sure what is material and what's colour. the timing was perfect for integrating the exposition into plot and character development, and like so much else with the show it really was done with style.

Hay! Mish! Link-la-ter!
Hay! Mish! Link-la-ter!

That is all.

Also I can't imagine this is a controversial view but it needs said: Aubrey Plaza has been killing it these last two episodes.

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