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I'm sorry that you're being forced to listen Matt DC, that must be a real grind.

Eh? I just said I wasn't going to go out of my way to listen to it. Christ...

That said I'd rather hear her spin stuff like Township Funk or LFO than the particularly lumpy characterless minimal she played the last couple of times I saw her.

I've never much enjoyed Ellen Alien when I've seen her play out but I agree with Lex here

calling her an artist for people who don't know anything about dance music is total off-base bullshit, sorry tabes.

― lex pretend, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:11 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Don't really like saying this about anyone (even if I don't particularly enjoy their music)

I haven't heard this mix yet, but playing "LFO" in a club sometimes != playing it on an RA podcast. It's safe to say that most people aren't looking to hear "LFO" when they listen to these podcasts.

but the podcast was from a live club set. i'm sure ms. alien has more pressing things on her mind than worrying about the analysis paralysis of a few blokes on RA and delivering a home recorded podcast of completely unknown music. really, get over it.

I think people have a right to criticise, the fact is they're only comparing her mix with other mixes done by similarly busy DJs. Maybe people are spoiled or whatever, and sure there are probably tons of moronic comments on the RA thread, didn't even read it, but I don't think they're being disingenuous or whatever. The free mix market is competitive right now!

fair enough. perhaps she didn't realise the critical importance RA has in the modern world. when i was asked to do one for them they had to ask a few times as i didn't even know what it was and kept blanking them. i'm glad i did finally as i still cherish the snide comments.

RA comments box people are the worst

euhm sorry, but who are you, stirmonster?

RA's messageboard is the "Have Your Say" of the techno/house world.

i actually rather like this ellen allien mix

It doesn't matter if it was from a live set, she still had to choose which set (and which part of her set) to use for the podcast. And who was asking for a home recorded podcast of unknown tracks?

xposts I also avoid reading RA comments threads

xposts. stirmonster is jd twitch of optimo fame.

2 xposts. yes exactly, LG. Not shy of being the youtube comments of the techno/house world.
xpost, yeah I think it's decent.

it seems like most of the people on the RA comments box like this mix pretty well too ... what's the controversy again, exactly?

And who was asking for a home recorded podcast of unknown tracks?

i was.

07. Chaton - +91 Ahead (Session 3: Dachshund Version)

i've got this, i like it a lot. good john daly mix on it too.

It's safe to say that most people aren't looking to hear "LFO" when they listen to these podcasts.

this is such a weird attitude!

on another note, is anyone else frustrated with the RA 160kbps standard? i don't wanna be a churl cuz it's a pretty amazing service, what with all these free mixes which are frequently better or more interesting than commercial ones, but...it still sounds suboptimal :(

how dare ellen allien play unexpected records that are awesome

apologies Matt DC total overreaction, there's just something about the turning up on a thread only to state your dislike of something and bringing absolutely nothing useful to the discussion posting type that winds me up chronic. Reading again, I was just taking out my general frustration and irritation with ILM generally on the wrong guy really.

any thought about the bill brewster one?

DLed the Brewster but haven't listened yet.

I don't see what the problem is with pointing out that someone is popular with people who don't know shit. It's like people who thought they listened to punk because they had a Blink 182 CD, there's just so much other better shit out there. I think dance people who dig the underground shit are fierce about it because of how comparatively difficult it is to find. You gotta work for that shit! People use the web so much for that shit because it's easier than finding it in real life, though still not exactly simple.

i sort of see where you're coming from but ellen absolutely isn't one of those artists imo

that's lot of shit.

xpost.

I don't know a single person who likes Ellen Allien and doesn't otherwise have an interest in dance music. This is mental.

The Culoe podcast is A+++ though. Gonna listen to the Ellen one later.

1. fuck all y'all.

2. sorry i'm a nerd and fascist. but fuck you anyway.

3. i wasn't really criticising Ellen Allien OR people who don't know much about dance music, though that is the way it came out. her sound and her structures are undeniably more poppy than many other producers considered in the same league. a lot of people that i know who aren't really into dance music quite like and actively listen to Ellen Allien (along with a couple other bigger names). in all honesty, fandango, you sort of took what i said completely out of context. and then ronan did his usual American-baiting (go die on your next bank holiday, mate).

wishing death on someone is obv a reasonable response.

as if being a total jingoistic fuck is a reasonable response to anything?

if you want to paint yourself as some learned gatekeeper then be prepared to have the same method flipped back at you. there are probably several thousand German Ellen Allien fans who know more about dance music because they've lived it than you ever will.

what gives you the right to say you "know about dance music" above and beyond a fan of artist x/y/z? nothing...it's just elitist nonsense. I don't even like Ellen Allien as I mentioned above but it has to be pointed out. You actually have enough of a brain not to spout this rubbish either.

again, some jingoistic and elitist nonsense from you.

and what the fuck does 'living' dance music mean? if it means what i think you think it means, i'm glad that i don't live it. and even beyond that, who the fuck are you to say that i don't live it? you don't know anything about me.

finally, it seems you can't read: i wasn't really criticising Ellen Allien OR people who don't know much about dance music, though that is the way it came out. her sound and her structures are undeniably more poppy than many other producers considered in the same league. a lot of people that i know who aren't really into dance music quite like and actively listen to Ellen Allien (along with a couple other bigger names).

and that isn't a judgment on them, is really what i mean. it is just fact.

yes but you said what you said and people responded thusly. easy to climb down afterwards. you don't seem to enjoy someone else casting aspersions on who you are/what you know based on an arbitrary piece of info so maybe in future you might give other people a bit more credit.

i've no desire to get in a slanging match as i'm mostly playing devils advocate, i think the whole idea of someone "knowing more" is idiotic. music is not a competition. if someone likes ellen allien they do know about dance music, she has tiny sales and the vast majority of people don't know who she is. equally if someone likes whatever's top of beatport's hard house chart they know about dance music.

so to "know" about dance music someone has to conform to your defn/taste. you really are a retard.

again, never said that. just you creating some twisted version of me by casting shit on me.

only GERMAN ellen allien fans have ever really LIVED IT, guyz.

and this comes after someone stating that people in europe are so much less obnoxious than americans?

for real-- i don't understand how i'm the one being called retarded.

also CLARIFYING is NOT 'climbing down,' ronan.

I was playing devils advocate psychspawgle, and in any case I meant people actually making a living from techno for years and years might v well claim to know about it, it's not as though Allien is Kylie Minogue, she prob counts some people who have fairly serious claims to "knowing about dance music" above and beyond anyone on this thread as her fans (what about eg people recording for her label etc, they like ellen allien presumably). if you want to do the whole competitive thing. i already said i don't.

and that isn't a judgment on them, is really what i mean. it is just fact.

your opinion is fact? prove it.

I mean just look at the discography for Bpitch, would be hard to say all of those people know nothing about dance music.

again and again you completely misinterpret what i'm saying-- i never said ANYTHING evil or bad about BPitch, its artists, or Ellen Allien. i really enjoy ellen allien's work, actually. what i was saying, and will say again, is that Allien's work has some more mainstream cachet, mostly with people who aren't necessarily as embroiled in the dance music world as anyone on this thread. this is not a judgment-- pipecock might have made it seem like one, but it isn't. only YOU are making it into something it isn't.

finally, don't fucking dis on Kylie Minogue. she's awesome.

I was actually just thinking yesterday about how even some serious technophobes I've known have loved Ellen Allien and Apparat.

To be fair you said: i guess that i never really saw Ellen Allien as anything but a populist and a favorite, especially among people who know little about dance music.

I think most people who were subject to such a statement would see it as a judgement, even if you claim it isn't. Who would like to be told they "know little" about dance music because they like act x? And to be fair there are so many levels of strawman above Ellen Allien, I mean she at least is a DJ and is connected to lots of good stuff.

Anyway I apologise for attacking you here (I don't specifically pick on you, I just genuinely often disagree with you) but it is just your opinion, not a fact, that was what really got me.

ANYWAY so what about that bill brewster, eh?

up there with the disco bloodbath and linkwood/house of traps as my favorites of these so far this year

The Bill Brewster one is totally enjoyable.

hey, this weekend is a bank holiday!

hope you die!

tx

going out for a death now, enjoy yourselves guys

poor ronan, mainstream indie mnml too loud on the iphone headphones too loud to hear the approaching bus

"in the end the irony was the music was not minimal enough for him to hear that bus"

nice knowing you.

actually kind of scared now