I HATE APPLE

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my ipod died, so i sent it to california. they sent me a new ipod from taiwan. got here in 48 hours! too bad it's also dead. tomorrow i'm taking it to the local "genius bar" where it apparently costs $99 for the priviledge of making reservations for service more than 24 hours in advance. since i only spent $59 on applecare, i have to hang out at the mall and take my chances.

i'm thinking about hating apple.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

privilege? yes.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the iBook mouse (above the mother board of whatever you people call that thing)

by mouse do you mean trackpad? a slightly damp - not wet, just slightly damp - cloth should do the trick. don't use any cleaning products.

i'm not even going to ask where the motherboard comes into this.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 20 January 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I dislike apple computers because they are so freaking expensive, slow, and some are even dangerous! A while back, some G4's started having problems with capacitors on the motherboard EXPLODING. The exploding part wasn't really the problem, it was after it exploded that the computer (if you can even call it that) would short out on the pieces of metal stiking out of the capacitors, and overheat. More dangerous stuff! Sometimes the adaptor for the powerbook will catch on fire! And notice how Apple doesn't seem to ever tell anyone about these things? And why are they so expensive and slow? My 8 year old laptop is 66mhz slower than [i forget which model exactly] a powerbook, has the same amount of RAM and cost me $2970 less than the apple? And what about how the ipod's battery only lasts a few months, and the only way to replace it is to send it to apple and pay a huge fee, or open it yourself, void the warranty, and likely screw it up? I could keep going on, but I would fill the server with SO MUCH crap apple doesn't want you to know that they'd have no room for anything else...

I dislike apple a lot, Friday, 10 February 2006 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Mary, I have those smudges, too. I haven't found a good way to take them off yet, and I've been trying. One of the big downsides of having a white computer, really.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 10 February 2006 04:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I just got a Compaq after having one trouble free for five years. SO far so good, at about a third the cost of a mac.

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 10 February 2006 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think you can say that Apple are particularly dangerous compared to other computers. After all, Microsoft had that problem with Xbox power cords overheating, which (as far as I remember) caused at least one fire. And "explosion" is the standard failure mode for capacitors in any case.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 10 February 2006 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Never mind exploding computers. You know what else Apple are responsible for? ASTROTURF.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 February 2006 07:43 (eighteen years ago) link

re: smudges - the brasso method perhaps?

http://todd.dailey.info/archives/2005/09/27/restore-your-ipod-nano-to-new-condition-with-a-4-can-of-brasso/

I can vouch for this since last night... my nano looks a lot better now, but quite not perfect. I got bored, frankly, it takes AGES to work, but in *most* lights it now looks nearly new again, or rather used (if you stare hard) but not abused.

Worked on my phone display too.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 10 February 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I got the Mr. Clean Magic Eraser, and it worked perfectly. It took like 2 seconds, seriously.

Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

O RLY?

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 11 February 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

b65641@yahoo.com is absolutely right. i slammed my cock repeatedly in my powerbook and it broke (both my cock and the powerbook). HOW DARE APPLE NOT TELL ME HOW DANGEROUS THIS WAS. etc.

i dunno. i can kind of understand fanatical devotion to a product ... but fanatical hatred? get one life, muppets!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 11 February 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, I just updated to Tiger 1.4.5, and now my G4 now longer recognizes the bloody iPod Shuffle. For shits and giggles, I just put iTunes on my PC, and guess what? IT sees the Shuffle.

I'm going to the pub now.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

ipod updater?

A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

iPod Updater isn't doing anything. I checked system profiler and the Mac just plain doesn't see the Shuffle. This is a right royal pain in the arse. This is a *replacement unit* for fuck's sake, and now the online support is telling me that, based on my serial number, I no longer qualify for Applecare. That can't be right - time to bust out my paperwork and call Apple tomorrow. Fuckity fuck fuck.

I just plugged it into the PC for shits and giggles and it launches iTunes right away. GAH.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

A lot of shitting and giggling there. Lord, I'm tired.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Apple is too expensive PERIOD! My Compaq was only 450$ so if it totally craps the bed I am not out $1200 !!!!

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I know it's been said a million times before, but at least before these new intel machines, you couldn't compare the speed of PCs and Macs in mhz, as the architecture was so different.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I've managed to register this Shuffle as defective, using my original date of purchase (about 11 months ago). They'd better goddamned well replace it, too.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 February 2006 06:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I know it's been said a million times before, but at least before these new intel machines, you couldn't compare the speed of PCs and Macs in mhz, as the architecture was so different.

yea and now we get to compare dual core to single core! yay!

A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Friday, 17 February 2006 06:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I just plugged it into the PC for shits and giggles and it launches iTunes right away. GAH.

I've been through a lot of phases with personal computers. First I used Apples, because it was 1986 and using an IBM would have been really weird for an 11 year old. Then I used PCs, because it was 1996 and Macintoshes were, for all intents and purposes, made by Fisher Price. They were hilarious to anyone who wanted to DO anything with a personal computer... like play games, or make music, or expand the capacity of thier machines, or really anything. This went on for a long time.

pple OS 9 made it seem for a while like maybe it was the best OS, like maybe there were things you could do with an Apple that you could never do elsewhere. This thinking lasted for about four years, give or take. It was a silly fantasy. Apple never cornered any market here, it just claimed to. Plus, they charged an arm and a frickin' leg for their computers.

So now I have a PC, and I do a lot of the kind of work that makes people ask why I don't have an Apple. I draw and I make pictures and I Photoshop my ass off. I like my PC for that, not because it's necessarily better than an Apple, but because it's about a thousand dollars less for the same computer.

Apple zealots are wrong. Apple is not about being better, it's about being a goddamn control freak company that rushes inferior products to market (same as that other company that you hate so much) and selling you a brand before they sell you a usable product. This is not only true of the iPod (though that's an especially painful example), it's true of every product they've released for the past three years. They're a bunch of goddamn scheisters.

Same as anyone. Your computer is a gamble. You should know that going in.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link

From this thread and others it seems that Apple users waste a LOT mroe time fiddling around with their OS than PC users.

mei (mei), Friday, 17 February 2006 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I am happy now cos I can use Anapod instead of Itunes! Yay!

I don't hate Apple per se, just that crappy program.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Apple zealots are wrong. Apple is not about being better, it's about being a goddamn control freak company that rushes inferior products to market (same as that other company that you hate so much) and selling you a brand before they sell you a usable product. This is not only true of the iPod (though that's an especially painful example), it's true of every product they've released for the past three years. They're a bunch of goddamn scheisters.

Now that I've been to bed:

I'm not an Apple zealot, and never really have been. Actually, Mac-versus-Windows is a debate that I refuse to participate in. I own an Apple because that's what I learned to make music on - I've been using Logic Audio in its various incarnations for well over a decade, and to me, there's simply nothing better out there for my needs. (I personally don't care for the Pro Tools interface, even though it's an industry standard.)
But I also have a homemade Windows box that I use strictly as a virtual synth unit, and because it's purpose-built, it's rock-solid. (*Touches wood for good luck.*)

Moreover, until recently, I made my living setting up computers (both Mac and PC) for digital audio recording. My experience is that no platform is ideal - there are far too many variables for things to run smoothly all the time. All computers crash, and I've even seen identical setups exhibit wildly different behavior.

What Apple are guilty of is not scheisterism but inconsistency. They've grown exponentially in the last six years, and are rushing to catch up with their demand. The few times I've actually needed service, they've been more than helpful, and in all likelihood, I will get my Shuffle replaced without hassle.

Simply put, Apple-bashing is just as lame as Windows-bashing.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Apple never cornered any market? Please, I've worked in the advertising/design/pre-press/printing industries since 1997, and used computers for layout in schools since 1989, and nobody has used anything but Apple. It's all the same now, I'm not denying that, it's not like photoshop or quark or indesign look or work any different on either machine, but these industries are completely dominated by apple, at least in the US. The only aspect they didn't corner was text-book publishing and the like because pc's had better software for that for ages. Hilarious to anyone who wanted to make music? Most recording studios I've ever been to STILL are mac based.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Mary, I have those smudges, too. I haven't found a good way to take them off yet, and I've been trying.

Regular (clean!) pencil erasers worked for a friend of mine.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

10.4 really does suck cocks in hell, doesn't it?

the only reason i upgraded was to get my new mobile phone to work. woo, i thought at first, look at all these whizzy features.

little did i realise it'd be so fucking slow-ass and pointlessly buggy. for no apparent reason, the user drop-down just disappeared from the menu bar; i had to log out and back in again for it to reappear.

10.3.9 rocked. two weeks of 10.4.4 has been painful. i sincerely hope the 10.4.5 upgrade fixes some of this ... but then given that i read a thread this afternoon about how it stopped someone's iPod working, i'm kinda apprehensive.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Azureus performance tip that I only just now realized... Go to /Utilities/Java/J2SE 5.0/ and open up "Java Preferences." Change your runtime settings from J2SE 1.4.2 to J2SE 5.0. Close and then fire up Azureus again.

Runs significantly better now.

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 18 February 2006 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
fucking HELL.

so i've bought some memory for the powerbook in the hope that might make the experience of using 10.4 marginally less painful.

and i discover that, in order to install it, i need a philips size 00 screwdriver.

because yes, of fucking COURSE i have one of those knocking around the place. can't move for fucking tiny jewellers' screwdrivers round this gaff.

JESUS CHRIST, apple, what the FUCK is wrong with using a marginally more sensible size of screw?

nobody i know has got one of these fucking things either, so i'm going to have to buy one. i think i'll send it to apple when i'm done with a note saying: "dear steve jobs. shove this RIGHT up your arse, you cunt."

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha I have the screwdriver you need, I had to buy one too, for the SAME STUPID FUCKING REASON.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

You can use Tweezers

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Or a hammer.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i tried tweezers but the screws are fucking tight and i don't want to knacker the heads. and yes, when i was emptying out my tool box - just in case i could find such a screwdriver - i came across a small rubber mallet. and just for a split second, i did consider ...

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I have one because my glasses always fall apart.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I had the same problem. Bought a 00 screwdriver and the screw was too shallow to take it. Had to borrow someone else's to get the job done.

Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, rats' cocks. christ.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

If you've ever worn glasses on a daily basis you will have one of these screwdrivers. Also, they come in Christmas crackers.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I also had to buy a pack of tiny screwdrivers. But they've come in handy for other things, so I'm not too upset.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:41 (eighteen years ago) link

If you've ever worn glasses on a daily basis you will have one of these screwdrivers. Also, they come in Christmas crackers.

i don't wear glasses. mrs fiendish does, but a) she's away in england and b) she doesn't have such a thing anyway. nor, it seems, do any of my speccy chums.

and, oddly, i don't tend to keep the ephemera that falls out of xmas crackers, thinking: "gosh, one day this 50p piece of crap will come in very useful when i need to put £38 worth of memory into £1200 worth of computer."

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you know any woodwind musicians? They're liable to have one hanging about too.

(I have been known to keep the tiny screwdriver sets you get in christmas crackers, so I have one for my glasses case, one in my main clarinet case, one in the spare clarinet case, etc etc etc)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you know any woodwind musicians

not really. i know a couple of fiddlers and a lot of people who blow. but that's it.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't we all!

Clockmakers? Scale modellers?

(you can tell I'm barrel-scraping here)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I am clearly in a minority of people who think it unthinkable that anyone woyuld not have a full set of Philips, Flat head and Pozidrive, scredrivers and driver bits (I have various torx and security screw bits as well but I don't expect everyone to have the same perversions). (All hail the PZ2)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah well my pbook's hard drive fried out this evening so you can take your little screwdriver problem and stick it up your fucking ass have some perspective on the issue.

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not laughing. i'm not. i'm ... grimacing as i share your pain.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got one Simon, that I bought at a supermarket checkout in NYC, thinking "that'll be handy". It is! I'll bring it into work and you can borrow it. Be in from 12.30.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

No, wait, I haven't. It's not a Philips head. But I'll bring it in anyway because I've definitely used it on tiny Philips screws before. Well, you can have a look.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

using a pozidrive scredriver on a phillips screw make baby jesus cry

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

alba, that's kind of you ... but i'm going to crockett the ironmonger at lunchtime to point gruffly at bits of metal and pretend i know what the fuck i'm talking about.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link

If you've ever worn glasses on a daily basis you will have one of these screwdrivers.

But no glasses I've ever had have had Philips screws. But my regular (they're called "pozidrive"¿?) mini screwdriver was originally bought for this purpose, yes.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link


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