Bands whose most iconic record is their first one, but which is also stylistically an outlier in their catalog

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Ulver, maybe?

jmm, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link

There's viola on "Lady Godiva's Operation" and "Here She Comes Now".

Whoa, got me there.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link

I do feel like the viola is more prominent on a lot of VU & Nico, and the album is also unique in their catalogue in terms of the mix of styles, but, yep, I definitely forgot about those.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link

Devo?

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link

^^ thread winner.

mark e, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:57 (seven years ago) link

Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings

flappy bird, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

The Telescopes

(their early singles and first album immortalized them as shoegaze also-rans but virtually nobody cares about their '00s forays into post-rock and noise/drone)

ridiculously dope soul (unregistered), Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

De La Soul?

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 2 March 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link

I'd say Wire too - Pink Flag is the only one you could describe as a straightforward punk record. I wanted to say The Clash as well for the same reason but I don't think you could argue against London Calling as being their most iconic album.

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link

I don't think you could describe "Pink Flag" as a straightforward punk record tbf.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link

A punk record, for sure.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link

So, yes, fits the thread.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link

Moby Grape? Debut is definitely iconic, second album was a sharp stylistic detour...but I'm not that up on their later records.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link

Rober Miles is the perfect example of this. A huge crowdpleaser hit with Children and a similar sounding debut album, but everything he did since is completely left field: IDM, jazz and psychedelic rock.

Siegbran, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link

Pavement. They dropped most of the Fall and VU aping after Slanted & Enchanted (not counting the eps)

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link

Wire is a stupid answer, and most of these are heavily debatable at best

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link

License to Ill
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown
Loc-Ed After Dark
All For One
Cypress Hill
Breaking Atoms
Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link

I don't think slight developments or polishing that may have been achieved by the second album really qualifies an artist for this thread.

Evan, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link

Illmatic

flappy bird, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link

Where's that NV post

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link

I don't even know if it was NV

But basically - "Specific-purpose ILM anthology threads basically turn into lists of everyone's favourite bands"

Stop bending the rules to suit whichever signifiers of your awesome tastes you want to list. Every entry here from now on should require a written justification

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link

I don't know where you get the idea that this a place where people discuss music

ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link

Basehead, maybe.

Otherwise, Fleetwood Mac, in contention. Feelies maybe (inspiration for this thread, but I discovered them via Good Earth). Men Without Hats maybe, since nobody stuck around for Pop or the later stuff. Patti Smith, Pavement, etc. all had great albums down the road.

dlp9001, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link

Fleetwood Mac? Fuck off. Just fuck off.

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link

Stop bending the rules to suit whichever signifiers of your awesome tastes you want to list.

Not sure anyone was doing that but they certainly will be from now on, hopefully.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link

Radiohead, because Creep is still totes their most iconic song lol!

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link

The Beatles, because I don't know!

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link

This seems like a good use of your time.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link

Says the guy who must have spent upwards of an hour on fake Kenny Logging anagrams

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link

Fucking autocorrect

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, that was fun. I had fun that day.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link

^^^that's an anagram of Kenny Loggins btw xp

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link

I like a lot of Patti Smith, and Horses isn't even my favourite work of hers, but it does feel like a bit of an outlier to me. The next two albums are much more straightforward rock albums to my ears.

I like Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac but it seems crazy to say that this is their most iconic work.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link

Comus probably counts here, despite not having the most extensive discography.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link

Steely Dan: I encounter "Reelin' In The Years" & "Do It Again" on the airwaves more than any of their other songs. Pretty stark stylistic divergence from the rest of their catalog, also David Palmer sings quite a bit on that one.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link

STEELY DAN! BINGOOOOO! I GOT A BINGO

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link

The Cardiacs probably.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link

:D

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link

basically the only artists who belong itt are ones whose debut albums have more RYM ratings and different primary genre tags than all subsequent albums. there's this little thing called SCIENCE but most of you guys probably haven't heard of it http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-colbert.gif

ridiculously dope soul (unregistered), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link

I feel you, imago.

ok, Spiderman of the Rings - Dan Deacon's first real album (there are a handful of EPs and two collections of college assignments and experiments that preceded it), it's the only time he was ever the full on "Mongoloid man-child" (Polish flyer description), spazzy neon freak dude image that people still associate with him. Ever since Bromst, he's made a concerted effort to emphasize his academic background and considerable abilities as a composer and arranger. the party rager dude in "The Crystal Cat" video was his schtick until he got famous and "Drinking Out of Cups" went viral. When the pernicious rumor that he was locked in a closet tripping on acid in that video was going around, I think it really annoyed him, and beginning with Bromst, he started playing with ensembles and recording much more intricate work: player piano, strings, massive productions. Yet he still plays "The Crystal Cat" at every fucking show.

flappy bird, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link

LJ, you may find that it's easier to get your point across if you explicitly call us 'sheeple' and perhaps use the phrase 'wake up' at least once or twice.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link

lol screw u unreg

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link

meant with affection obv

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link

Nothin but luv itt, bruv.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link

imago bringing the spirit of ilx past alive. i miss those halcyon days when i could like get seriously mad about somebody implying that devo's second album is a massive departure from their first.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link

I just don't want us sleepwalking into yet another fermentation of our silage

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link

MGMT!

J. Sam, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link

^accurate

flappy bird, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link

yeah that one seems correct

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link

you can sit on my side of the classroom J Sam

imago, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link

i kind of think of that record in terms of... safe as milk. safe as milk is a great album, right now the second-best-known captain beefheart record (hell it might even surpass _trout mask replica_ one day). but it's not an original record; it's just a really great white blues record. having said that, i wouldn't go so far as to call captain beefheart a "respectable equal" of howlin' wolf on the basis of _safe as milk_. knockoffs will always trail behind originals in my book.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 3 March 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link

xpost: I'm not a huge fan of In The Presence of Nothing, but it's definitely the record that put lilys on the map, without question. "Better" had the hit in England, but in the US it was a bust, and nothing else they did ever made a splash. Love them, not a huge fan of their first album, but it's definitely an outlier that was iconic for the band. So good choice.

dlp9001, Friday, 3 March 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link

I don't think they changed too much stylistically on the 2nd album, it just wasn't as good and was a bit over-produced.

― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Friday, March 3, 2017 12:28 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought it was a pretty big shift; out went the 3-guitar attack and five-part harmonies, in came sped-up vocals, throwaway novelties, ornate horn and string arrangements, backwards tapes, and Arthur Godfrey introducing a sleepy Skip Spence singing over a swing orchestra.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 March 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link

That said, I don't really think of post-Cale VU as weird and droney, except maybe for "Murder Mystery".

"What Goes On", man

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 3 March 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link

Suicide.

yugi ex, Friday, 3 March 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link

Nas may be the best answer on here so far.

o. nate, Saturday, 4 March 2017 02:45 (seven years ago) link

Kate Bush, The Kick Inside.

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 4 March 2017 02:47 (seven years ago) link

JAMC strikes me as a good answer. Feelies too.

henry s, Saturday, 4 March 2017 02:50 (seven years ago) link

I didn't think The Kick Inside was more iconic than The Dreaming or Hounds of Love, although I guess "Wuthering Heights" is a pretty iconic song.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 March 2017 02:56 (seven years ago) link

Oasis

Siegbran, Saturday, 4 March 2017 10:02 (seven years ago) link

ban everyone

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Saturday, 4 March 2017 10:05 (seven years ago) link

Surely there can't actually be that many actual examples of this. Imago is right, this often feels like people just listing the usual bands that crop up on these threads 'cuz they can't think of any actual examples. And no, Fleetwood Mac isn't a correct answer. Or Steely Dan.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Saturday, 4 March 2017 10:13 (seven years ago) link

The Damned

palko, Saturday, 4 March 2017 10:14 (seven years ago) link

There probably are a lot of examples of this, but nobody cares because the band became completely obscure after the change. Something like The Bravery for instance.

Frederik B, Saturday, 4 March 2017 11:14 (seven years ago) link

Elastica (ducks)

attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 4 March 2017 12:51 (seven years ago) link

There probably are a lot of examples of this, but nobody cares because the band became completely obscure after the change. Something like The Bravery for instance.

I would question how iconic the first album is in this case.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 March 2017 13:38 (seven years ago) link

"What Goes On", man

I'll withdraw my offhand VU suggestion if no one agrees but I don't hear this song as all that weird and droney. It seems like a pretty straightforward upbeat rock tune to me, based on a variation on a standard 3-chord progression, at least compared to something like "Venus in Furs".

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 March 2017 13:54 (seven years ago) link

I would question how iconic the first album is in this case.

― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), 4. marts 2017 14:38 (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's definitely their 'most' iconic one, though...

Frederik B, Saturday, 4 March 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link

Ha, OK

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 March 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

Casket Girls - first one is their best

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 24 August 2017 05:39 (six years ago) link

A lot of shoegaze/proto-shoegaze bands could go here (some, like Ride and JAMC, have been listed already).

Plenty of second wave techno too, e.g. LFO.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 24 August 2017 11:27 (six years ago) link

blood sweat & tears, obv.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 24 August 2017 12:30 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

There's a thread of albums that are 20 years old, and I've seen a bunch of recognition for stuff that is turning 30.

But we all seem to have agreed to let 2017 go by without acknowledging that Velvet Underground & Nico turned 50.

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 12 February 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link


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