Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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Woulda been better if he went full-Yelawolf and called it his Shit of the Union Distress

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:49 (three years ago) link

I think a President technically has to be in office for a year before it becomes an official SOTU.

Been surprised by positive responses to the speech. Is his popularity going to go up several points temporarily? Then he can get the US into a war and boost it some more. Lovely.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:51 (three years ago) link

he'll get a boost from this. then he'll tweet some dumb shit, insult somebody, get in a fight w the press, issue the Muslim ban EO, etc. and it'll nosedive again.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:51 (three years ago) link

His popularity has bounced back and forth a bunch since Inauguration so probably. But long term it will probably stay in the toilet

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:52 (three years ago) link

I'm just flummoxed that there are still people who are unable to take like this big picture view of a dumbfuck public figure who has been showing us exactly who he is for decades and who has been vocally espousing a very particular strain of his general douchebaggery for years and who has spent the last year and a half incessantly assaulting us with what a spectacularly irredeemable piece of human garbage he is and how thoroughly resistant to change he is. I don't know how, in the face of that, you can watch him talking slightly more calmly about things that are just slightly less hateful than usual and pretend that he's pivoting or changing or maturing or growing. Fuck every single person who's promoting that narrative, seriously, and may each one of them be tethered to him in the historical narrative of whatever awful shit he manages to do before he's ejected from office.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:53 (three years ago) link

I'm not sure how the VOICE thing isn't completely overshadowing anything else that's being considered positive about this speech.

Evan, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:54 (three years ago) link

Most people think politics are really this easy thing that corrupt politicians have fouled up, so what non-dumbfucks see as evidence of incompetence and cluelessness, they see as "the new Sheriff in town being temporarily stymied by the old corrupt bureaucracy"

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:56 (three years ago) link

yeah. there were audible gasps in the audience when he described it. xpost

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:00 (three years ago) link

God, the headline on NYT right now: "Trump Offers Up a More Hopeful Vision"

jmm, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:03 (three years ago) link

the next several decades as the baby boom ages into their eighties and nineties

why we are well fucked for 25+ more years, and not just bc of health care costs.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:03 (three years ago) link

Reasons why i am planning to die by 55

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:04 (three years ago) link

Without spawn

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:04 (three years ago) link

NPR noon newscast totally emph'd the "presidential" spin

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:08 (three years ago) link

Reasons why i am planning to die by 55

well, i have to see if the Mets win this year

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:11 (three years ago) link

and the only guvmint that matters:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/investing/dow-21000-trump-speech/index.html

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:13 (three years ago) link

the stock market thing and the whole media narrative around it is troubling. could it be that investors are optimistic because they know they're in an era of deregulation? no, no, that couldn't be it. they're optimistic because of trump's patriotic eagle vision for the country.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:21 (three years ago) link

trump clearly loves taking credit for the gains since his election. and when there's an inevitable dip/crisis/crash, it's all too predictable how trump will react - it will be somebody or something else's fault, he will be treated so unfairly

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:23 (three years ago) link

it's because currency is imaginary etc xp

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:24 (three years ago) link

The Dow Jones thing to me looks like a big run-up ahead of a big cash-out (which will come only after tax rates have been slashed). It's all short-term thinking, I seriously doubt anyone has any idea (or even cares much) whether the broader economy is headed up or down.

I thought I'd gotten myself on a more even keel, but media backpedaling on the basis of a moment of inconsequential relative temperance has me feeling more panicky despair than pretty much anything the Orange Mummy has done or said in the past month.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:32 (three years ago) link

what is the VOICE thing i cannot google atm

Cognition (Remix) (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:33 (three years ago) link

we predicted the reaction yesterday. He spoke in complete sentences, thanks to the teleprompter. Nothing to panic about. Wait till ACA repeal ('and replace') comes to his desk.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:34 (three years ago) link

xpost Well, you know how immigrants are committing all of the crimes in the US? We finally have a governmental program to deal with this threat to our well-being and way of life by disseminating information on these heinous crimes far and wide.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:36 (three years ago) link

I thought that was announced earlier, in one of his EOs

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:40 (three years ago) link

VOICE sounds maybe a little like this idk

And we see back in Nazi Germany there was a paper called—a Nazi paper called Der Stürmer, and they had a department called "Letter Box," and readers were invited to send in stories of supposed Jewish crimes. And Der Stürmer would publish them, and they would include some pretty horrific graphic illustrations of these crimes, as well. And there was even a sort of a lite version of it, if you will, racism lite, in which the Neues Volk, which was more like a Look or a Life magazine, which normally highlighted beautiful Aryan families and their beautiful homes, would run a feature like "The Criminal Jew," and they would show photos of "Jewish-looking," as they called it, people who represented different kinds of crimes that one ought to watch out for from Jews.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:43 (three years ago) link

we don't have to report them to VOICE though if they can support themselves

nothing fucked up about that at all :)

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:44 (three years ago) link

didn't Bannon also publish black crimes in his rag ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:45 (three years ago) link

yep

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:48 (three years ago) link

The most awesome aspect of an idea like VOICE, IMO, is that you know the people who promote and contribute and respond positively to information like this are those who will be rigorous in making distinctions between, say, criminal immigrants and law-abiding immigrants or undocumented immigrants and US citizens when trying to determine who to demonize and kick the shit out of.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:49 (three years ago) link

the VOICE thing freaks me the fuck out.

i can't wait to be told how this does not resemble nazi germany in any way

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:49 (three years ago) link

it's not even about convincing more people that undocumented immigrants are more likely to violent criminals. it's about providing government-sponsored "information" to the people who were already convinced of it so they can feel legitimized.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:52 (three years ago) link

btw Van Jones is a nincompoop

https://twitter.com/DougHenwood/status/836929317766561793

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:53 (three years ago) link

might sound flip, but after 8 years of hearing about how markets "crave" stability and then seeing the weird exuberance following the election of the most unstable egomaniac(s) fathomable, touting many policies that are unambiguously bad for many sectors of the economy, i'm starting to think Wall Street might be ... racist

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:53 (three years ago) link

I'm not sure there's a position of this administration and the GOP in general that can't be summed up as (and sometimes explicitly defined as) an attempt to maintain and reassert (mostly wealthy and mostly male but always) white hegemony.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:54 (three years ago) link

FFS! trump didn't shit himself up the how predicational of him xxp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:55 (three years ago) link

oh fuck autocorrect ugh

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:56 (three years ago) link

Same as it ever was for the last 50 years, I guess, but it's just so fucking uncouched at this point. It feels like it's just a matter of time before we start hearing elected officials casually tossing around racist epithets again.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:56 (three years ago) link

uh we are past that point

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 17:59 (three years ago) link

Media shitstains vs. actual veterans: https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/836987065145389056

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:05 (three years ago) link

That twit ("We are all one people, with one destiny") just lit up my "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" warning panel.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:10 (three years ago) link

seriously, what is our one destiny? what could that possibly mean?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:12 (three years ago) link

we're all gonna die

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:13 (three years ago) link

I'm pretty sympathetic to Van Jones, who had legit feelings of terror on election night, and probably still does, at least saying that Donald appeared Presidential and less scary, which might at least douse a few fires amongst his incitable base and ease tensions for the near future. Tensions that have immediate ramifications for him and his community.

He did also explain that he still largely disagrees with the President. and that being able to do this "again and again and again", well, that remains to be seen. speaking competently is really not that hard, but few other speeches have the magnitude of SOTU where you can achieve maximum impact. prior to his next one, there is ample time for him to erode what he just did.

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:13 (three years ago) link

starting to get seriously afraid that this Russia story is all going to wash out by the summer :/

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:15 (three years ago) link

not to be all ageist but this trump fella is too old to be president

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not to be all mccarthyist but the oldest person ever inaugurated is too deep in russia's pocket to be president

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lol usa

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:15 (three years ago) link

not buyin' it xxp

IT'S CLASSIFIED -- where's it gonna go, most likely? Into the memory hole. xp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:16 (three years ago) link

I'm more scared of him 'appearing' presidential and fooling people into actually thinking that he's presidential than I am of his usual unhinged and scary self. If people lean on the former, they're fooling themselves and it helps no one.

The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:16 (three years ago) link

i am still stunned that the VOICE thing isn't the main headline right now, everywhere

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:17 (three years ago) link

at least it headlines this thread title. that's comforting

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:17 (three years ago) link

from last night:

@pareene
here's an idea for everyone: Treasure of the Sierra Madre is on TCM literally right now

@DontFollowDave
either way you get to watch a delusional man who does not trust Mexicans get consumed by his greed

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:17 (three years ago) link

yeah that's how you were freed from that glacier

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:27 (three years ago) link

Ok lol

Οὖτις, Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:28 (three years ago) link

lmao

flopson, Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:32 (three years ago) link

clean hit

sleeve, Saturday, 1 April 2017 16:43 (three years ago) link

delicious

marcos, Saturday, 1 April 2017 17:05 (three years ago) link

daaaaaaaaaaaamn

Neanderthal, Saturday, 1 April 2017 17:18 (three years ago) link

damn son

Krauthammer himself has been a paraplegic since the age of 22. That’s an expensive medical condition. Probably he has group insurance through the Washington Post or another institution with which he’s affiliated, allowing him to spread the cost of his expensive medical care onto a risk pool that includes healthier, cheaper-to-cover people. Or perhaps he has a different arrangement. I do not for one moment resent that my insurance helps cover either childbirth or mechanized wheelchairs, even though I personally need neither service, and nothing Krauthammer says would make me reconsider.
It is callous enough that Republicans apply their every-man-for-himself logic to health care, and land on the belief that those fortunate enough to be blessed with good health should not be burdened with the cost of paying for the medical needs of others. But when the advocate of this argument himself has expensive medical needs, the callousness rises to a level of solipsistic barbarism. A paraplegic man resents having to pay for women who need help breastfeeding their babies. Why should those women have to buy insurance that covers wheelchairs?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 1 April 2017 19:28 (three years ago) link

oops [ q ]

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 1 April 2017 19:29 (three years ago) link

chait is stone cold

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 1 April 2017 19:54 (three years ago) link

Conservatives will scream "wow, rude" if they acknowledge it at all, but it's such a direct hit.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:07 (three years ago) link

Bring on the April thread already, US peeps

On Some Faraday Beach (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:10 (three years ago) link

He got away with all his lies, people still elected him. Will he also get away without getting anything done? By blaming others all the time? I hope not but I fear yes. I am really happy living in good old europe these days. The usa give me the chills.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:15 (three years ago) link

Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd!!!!

Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Monday, 3 April 2017 00:55 (three years ago) link

lock thread

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 April 2017 01:01 (three years ago) link

more like Sexy Eyes Chuck Todd

OK lock it now

baffled, brooding (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 3 April 2017 02:24 (three years ago) link


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