Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:32 (nine years ago) Permalink
co-sign!
Europa Endlos should be the anthem of the EU.
― Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:35 (nine years ago) Permalink
For me, that moment is the keyboard interlude the third time or so it's repeated. For one, I just love the sound of the saw wave and the little modulation accents Ralf plays. But on that iteration, Ralf knocks it up a register — and it just takes off. Easily my favorite Kraftwerk moment, period.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 April 2009 19:10 (nine years ago) Permalink
Folks have probably already seen this, but just in case:
http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3212&Itemid=26
Remasters of Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans Europe Express), The Man Machine, Computer World, Techno Pop, The Mix, and Tour De France. Available individually or as a box set, in which case they come in those horrible little "mini LP sleeve" packages people seem to like for some reason.
― More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:03 (nine years ago) Permalink
On October 5 Kraftwerk will release 12345678: The Catalogue, a CD box set collecting eight of their classic studio albums. Newly remastered versions of the albums will also be available individually on CD, vinyl and download.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:20 (nine years ago) Permalink
- 8 x individual CDs presented in special slipcases featuring newly expanded artwork, including many previously unseen images all of which have been reproduced to the highest technical standards. - CD Box Set containing 8 x CDs in ‘mini-vinyl’ card wallet packaging, plus individual large format booklets. - 8 x individual heavyweight vinyl LPs with large format booklets. - Digital downloads.
- CD Box Set containing 8 x CDs in ‘mini-vinyl’ card wallet packaging, plus individual large format booklets.
- 8 x individual heavyweight vinyl LPs with large format booklets.
- Digital downloads.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:21 (nine years ago) Permalink
Any reason to buy these for those of us who own all the albums on CD already? Sounds like extra packaging but nothing in the way of new/unreleased music... not really into those types of reissues.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:53 (nine years ago) Permalink
Remastered sound?
― StanM, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:57 (nine years ago) Permalink
Oh my god, I'm listening to the original '83 version of "Tour de France" right now and am FLIPPING OUT
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (nine years ago) Permalink
for the first time
The remastering will be the selling point for me. The CDs that we've been listening to for the last twenty years leave a lot to be desired.
― Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 19:06 (nine years ago) Permalink
will "Techno Pop" be mythical lost album or just "Electric Cafe" with original title?
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:20 (nine years ago) Permalink
wikipedia says it's just electric cafe with the original title
― elan, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:23 (nine years ago) Permalink
ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian
-- this explains why i like that lp so much!
― amateurist, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:36 (nine years ago) Permalink
Techno Pop was basically a failed album that had the best parts remixed into Electric Cafe. I doubt it will ever seen the light of day and I am not too upset about it. It would be neat to hear out of curiosity, but I doubt they have eight Tour de France style joints sitting in the can waiting to be heard.
That being said, I can only imagine what they have in their archives. I would love to hear the demos for songs that didn't make the cut for their studio albums. They will never be heard while Hutter is alive, but it will be interesting to see how his estate handles the music.
It will also be interesting to see who is credited on the box set. I wonder if Schneider will have his name removed like Bartos and Flur.
― your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:47 (nine years ago) Permalink
.. and Conny Plank...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:00 (nine years ago) Permalink
1983 demo version of 'Techno Pop' is utterly different than album version, almost a 70's retrench with the Orchestron vocal choir playing the chord sequence, I like it better than the album version
& there were three new tunes on the 98 tour than remain unreleased, I can see why but I'd still love a studio version of the one that sounds like their take on Basic Channel
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:07 (nine years ago) Permalink
word! is that demo vers floating around somewhere reachable?the live versions I've heard of the "Techno Pop" stuff is pretty great ... hard-hitting, muscular stuff
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:21 (nine years ago) Permalink
usual place, + demo version of 'techno pop' widely available on 'ultra rare trax volume 2' comp, most widely available bootleg of 97/98 tour is 'Computer Sinfonien ZKM'
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:39 (nine years ago) Permalink
correction, one word "Computersinfonien"
but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:40 (nine years ago) Permalink
ace, thanks!
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:43 (nine years ago) Permalink
"but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too"
for a second i'm thinking i clicked on the live dead thread by mistake...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:50 (nine years ago) Permalink
yeah I mean "Fillmore" is a better, more lush recording that captures more of the vibe of the night, but at "Tribal" Ralf was just so on
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:57 (nine years ago) Permalink
The only Kraftwerk recordings I have are 70's era, including the one with Rother + Dinger, and this one from Leverkusen with a 40 minute Autobahn
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink
you know where leonardo is? I've been looking for Leverkusen forever, I'll put up 1975 Brighton if you post that one
to go back to "Tribal" it was like Ralf had all this energy that you could literally see rising out of his hands, and it wasn't the acid because I asked Mary and she saw the same tendrils
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:02 (nine years ago) Permalink
It's in flac or shn; what's the best way to send something of that size?
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:24 (nine years ago) Permalink
i quite liked the three late 90s demos esp. the Tribal '97 one. actually 'Tango' was a bit shit but they kept doing that live for a while unlike the other two.
― unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:27 (nine years ago) Permalink
oh jeez, probably zipping the flac files would get them under sendspace-able 300 MB
I know this is bad form trading right out here on the street but seriously if they sold this shit legit we wouldn't be in the sorry state we are right now man
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:30 (nine years ago) Permalink
Oh it's fine, I got it all on dime/dc++ anyway. It's not like it's copyrighted or anything.
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:35 (nine years ago) Permalink
Relistening to this Autobahn for the first time in like 6 years. Sound quality's kind of shit, but performance is simply transcendent. If this isn't A++++ I don't know what is; the motorik breakdown alone is like 10 minutes. Will post soon.
The whole thing's 980 megs though; I think I'll just V0 this or something.
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:31 (nine years ago) Permalink
fine with mp3's
Kraftwerk POXhttp://www.sendspace.com/file/jfeegk
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:48 (nine years ago) Permalink
the other non-album Kraftwerk single I'm looking for, the pre-Conny Plank 7" version of “Kohoutek – Kometenmelodie” - http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/thebookofseth/1743
have heard side 1, still haven't heard side 2
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:51 (nine years ago) Permalink
ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (nine years ago) Permalink
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5rsc6e
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 02:15 (nine years ago) Permalink
Techno Pop version of 'Sex Object'
http://r*pidshare.com/files/266436158/kwtp.zip.html
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 05:19 (nine years ago) Permalink
ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
where?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 06:51 (nine years ago) Permalink
If you google kohoutek and kraftwerk it's one of the first results
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 12:26 (nine years ago) Permalink
Yeah, found one. Quite recently, I did that, got nowt...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:18 (nine years ago) Permalink
chemicalbeats.blogspot.com usually has some good stuff.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:44 (nine years ago) Permalink
http://chemicalbeats.blogspot.com/2008/11/kraftwerk-kohoutek-kometenmelodie.html
stuff like that
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 14:45 (nine years ago) Permalink
Leverkusen is hilarious, it's rare to hear that many technical problems / mistakes, it's enjoyable. and that version of Autobahn is hands down beautiful.
for the Brighton show they'd just bought the Orchestron, so it's a fun chance to hear them use those TEE Strings / Radioactivity Choir samples on almost every single song
not a single one of the 70's shows I don't want to hear at least once: http://www.valand.gu.se/dm/students/andreas/kw_skivor/bootlegs.html
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 18:20 (nine years ago) Permalink
They never did perform "Europe Endless"/"Endless Endless"/"Franz Schubert" live did they? I would killlll to hear one...
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:18 (nine years ago) Permalink
you should track down the london roundhouse gig from 1976, they do "europe endless" and a version of "trans europe express" that sounds like a work in progress, quite different from the released version
― zappi, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:28 (nine years ago) Permalink
I'd love to hear that
also, above, when saying 'Live at the Fillmore' I in fact meant '19980607 - Live at the Warfield, SF'
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:39 (nine years ago) Permalink
I know this is retarded and I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad. Maybe they're too old for this sort of thing now. :(
― Turangalila, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:40 (nine years ago) Permalink
listening back (cough cough) "europe endless" is not quite there either, the rhythm is different & faster, extra vocal bits etc. its quite odd hearing songs you know inside out at an earlier stage.
― zappi, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 23:52 (nine years ago) Permalink
seeing them live this year made me sad.
I saw them last year and it was AMAZING (had never seen Florian-including lineup though)
― more funny and original than, 'ow you say, a penis (sic), Thursday, 13 August 2009 05:04 (nine years ago) Permalink
I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad
Yeah, I skipped the early 00s UK dates because I thought I would prefer to imagine how they'd have been at the time of releasing their best music rather than see them now, but inspired by last-tour-ever rumours I was considering seeing them next month in Helsinki...
(Mainly I just noticed I have some leave left and thought that Helsinki would be fun and a music festival in Helsinki would be extra fun and a music festival with Kraftwerk headlining would be, uh, extra extra fun.)
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:06 (nine years ago) Permalink
Jori Hulkkonen's Acid Symphony is opening for Kraftwerk in Helsinki. You should go. I've seen clips of their performance and it's really unique and fun. Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 13 August 2009 16:25 (nine years ago) Permalink
Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.Bwahahaha. QFT.
― Turangalila, Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:12 (nine years ago) Permalink
not HD, in fact terrible quality, but someone heard my prayer and filmed Florian chatting about synthesisers for 10 minutes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBs0lx0ghgo
― Sehr Kornisch (Branwell with an N), Monday, 4 April 2016 08:56 (two years ago) Permalink
http://dangerousminds.net/home/dangerou/dangerousminds.net/html/content/uploads/images/made/chrootcontent/uploads/images/MTQwMjM4MzE0OTA4MTY1MzUy_465_302_int.jpghttps://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsanborn/sets/72157660043445738/
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 22 July 2016 21:19 (two years ago) Permalink
good tim jonze interview with ralf here:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jun/15/kraftwerk-ralf-hutter-music-about-intensity-the-rest-is-just-noise
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 June 2017 09:32 (one year ago) Permalink
We meet on the eve of the general election, and so, to break the ice, I tell him how, ever since the leaders debates in 2010, pictures of UK politicians stood sombrely at lecterns have come to be labelled by online wits as the “worst Kraftwerk gig ever”. Curious, Hütter looks at a picture on my phone of a besuited Gordon Brown, Nick Clegg and David Cameron, and nods in agreement: “Because there’s only three of them,” he says. “One missing.”
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 June 2017 09:33 (one year ago) Permalink
looooool
― frogbs, Friday, 16 June 2017 13:12 (one year ago) Permalink
oh my god no that cannot be real
― he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 16 June 2017 13:17 (one year ago) Permalink
kraftwerk's deadpan humour is one of my favourite things about them
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 June 2017 13:19 (one year ago) Permalink
i loled hard when i read that part of the interview this morning... glad to find someone posted it here.
― new noise, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:12 (one year ago) Permalink
I liked this part too
Did it surprise Hütter when black audiences in New York and Detroit took it to their hearts and used it as a building block for hip-hop and techno?“Yes and no,” he says. “Because I have white and black keys on my piano.”
“Yes and no,” he says. “Because I have white and black keys on my piano.”
― frogbs, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:25 (one year ago) Permalink
to say i am buzzed to the max re tomorrow would be an understatement ...
― mark e, Friday, 16 June 2017 19:27 (one year ago) Permalink
Has Ralf been listening to 'Ebony and Ivory'? :D
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:50 (one year ago) Permalink
By the way, one thing I noticed in the CD box set is: Every track has very specific credits for words, music, every individual. Not seen that before..
― Mark G, Monday, 19 June 2017 21:24 (one year ago) Permalink
finally caved and bought the new CD boxset. it's quite good, the versions on discs 1-6 are more different than the originals (and The Mix) than I expected. kinda cool to see them rearranging the tracks and grouping the similar stuff together, i.e. the "Franz Schubert/Europe Endless" medley. I do think some of the magic is lost but they still sound great. new versions of "Airwaves" and "Antenna" are excellent. plus they turn "Telephone Call" into a real jam and just forego the vocals entirely. I'm on Disc 7 (the 3-D headphone version of "The Mix") and it's giving me a headache. Haven't heard the Tour de France disc yet, can't imagine it's much different though. still, worth the 40 bucks.
― frogbs, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:01 (one year ago) Permalink
they turn "Telephone Call" into a real jam and just forego the vocals entirely
Anything to do with the fact that Karl Bartos sang it originally? And Ralf didn't like his vocal either - too emotional.
― Tonight I Cut My Temple Teeth (Tom D.), Friday, 11 August 2017 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink
yeah that's probably exactly the reason.
funny to hear a 70 year-old Hutter sing "Sex Object". what a strange tune that is.
― frogbs, Friday, 11 August 2017 15:25 (one year ago) Permalink
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09g0m2q
HCMF40 (Huddersfield Contemporary Music Festival - Radio 3)
The programme features music from the arch-experimentalist ensemble zeitkratzer and their tribute to the iconic German band Kraftwerk, with live performances of numbers from their critically acclaimed albums "Kraftwerk" and "Kraftwerk 2".
(disclaimer, i haven't listened to this yet)
― koogs, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 09:25 (ten months ago) Permalink
lol
https://www.facebook.com/slonkdoinks/photos/a.168057427228648.1073741829.167602750607449/176822806352110/?type=3&theater
― frogbs, Friday, 25 May 2018 14:41 (four months ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIbSkw4yvec
― Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Friday, 24 August 2018 14:46 (one month ago) Permalink