DRAY v KLAY

well yeah playing 4 on 5 is never gonna work

oh you

lol

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imo if you put klay on a bad team he puts up an empty 24-25 ppg. if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

I don't think "he would just average 25 ppg" is a strong argument that someone is a system player

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lol

bad results!!

is results the name of your dog?

im with k3vin on this one

it is quite possible that many ilh voters mistakenly believed they were voting for beloved poster me, thus skewing the results

i know i did

i thought i was voting for pottery

I voted for Klay to revolt against the elites

ugh so mad at you

http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F0316%2Fr191066_1296x864_3%2D2.jpg&w=360&h=240&scale=crop&cquality=40&location=center

something for everyone here

“You know what, Steph Curry has took a step back,” Rodman said. “And it’s cool. It’s actually cool because if you see his game now, I always said with that Golden State team, I always say one thing: that one player is the player right there that makes that team. Who is that player?…

“That is right there: Thompson,” Rodman said. “That kid right there is good. If he went to another team, he’d suck. What I’m saying is that Klay Thompson makes that team. Everybody’s always worried about Curry. I know Curry’s dad and all that bulls—. But Klay Thompson makes that team. It ain’t Green, that guy, no. It’s Klay Thompson.”

lol im 90% sure rodman meant to be talking about dray and just doubled down when he realized what hed done

also he wanted to compliment dray cause of the similarities of their games but then felt threatened by that and said hed suck on another team

why are so many of these x-players so dumb.

if were talking abt designing an alt basketball league with rules that contrast to nba play id go with: 1st to 100 no game clock, 4 on 4 short court, no foul shots players just get the points if theyre fouled in the act, no charges on plays where the defender isnt actively guarding the ball handler ie no sliding in on a driver, soccer style rolling inbounding, hockey style live line changes, no live ball timeouts, 20 second shot clock, euro style playing the ball off the rim in the cylinder, wider court so the 3pt line is uniform and theres more room to shoot in corners, more room under the basket ie move the baseline back relative to the basket, 40 game season, no fouling out, call the foul after the play on fastbreaks, ... and trampolines jk

lol wrong thred

maybe ill make a new thread

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/to-ron-adams-draymond-green-is-the-defensive-equivalent-of-steph-currys-magic/

pretty cool list

http://bkref.com/tiny/5o3Cg

omg the junkyard dog

oh wait no i was thinking of a diff junkyard dog

http://bkref.com/tiny/tNnSs

klay's career playoff numbers x_x

I'd take Draymond. Not close, he's way more unique, valuable. You could find a reasonable Klay facsimile, but not one for Draymond https://t.co/7XGvRXeqGe

— Haralabos Voulgaris (@haralabob) May 31, 2017

kevins twitter crush said so

dray > klay

— Kevin (@radiokeller) June 1, 2017

testing to see if deleted tweets get deleted on ilx

stet up to stuff

it's a pretty sick feature major props

yeah that showed foresight

still can't believe this is up for debate

haha tbf to others i honestly didn't realize the whole thing embedded if you have images on, i can see how that could start to be annoying. the images off version is pretty ideal tho

i like seeing the whole tweet

oh weird i didnt know that either (as i have images off)

images are good folks

theyre cool if u want to look at stuff

they're bad actually

hmm that doesnt seem right but maybe

no they are indeed the best thing

ahh a lively debate for all

they're actually fine i just mostly use ilx at work and prefer it to be text only

actualkyk,,

ilh is maybe the most twitterlink-heavy board so i appreciate this feature.

dubs w/o kd or dray wld be so flammable, they cld prob stand to lose steph a lil better but they wld def suffer from a playmaking perspective, klay wld be the easiest to lose

― lag∞n, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 3:47 PM (five hours ago)

fair point tbh

mods im being trolled

there is but one mod jesus bise

and thats not even getting into all the extracurricular stuff like recruiting kd

it’s not just that he was a defensive specialist (and it seems worth pointing out, probably one of the 3 most important defenders of his generation), but he was also such an important connector on offense esp in an era where such skills were less commonplace. that’s not to say he didn’t need great offensive teammates to unlock his full potential but contrast that with klay who was more of a straightforward “piece” (tho obv at his best an elite one) rather than a foundational mold-breaking dude

he was a great connector because he played with a guy who was consistently trapped high meaning dray was consistently operating with an advantage, connecting skills in a normal halfcourt set up where everyone is being guarded when a guy (dray) is just no threat to score from anywhere arent that valuable

i invite you to peruse his numbers from the year steph missed, theyre not great

i think it’s true that klay’s game would more easily adapt to different situations… he has prob one of the most complimentary skillsets/playing styles you could imagine

but i’m of the opinion that the steph & dray offensive combo is more so what makes the warriors sui generis than the steph & klay combo. i think you could very easily take the other side of the argument! but i think the chemistry between steph & dray is what makes the warriors offense — i think steph hits all the same individual accolades as a player if draymond ends up on a different team but i don’t think he hits nearly the same team accolades. and i think you could have taken klay off the warriors and maybe found a player who got you to 90% of his contributions, i think it would have been harder to find a replacement for peak draymond, bcuz of how much of his play with steph is just mindmeld type stuff, and how much his defense powered their offense in those years in terms of getting out on the fast break and avalanching teams. maybe you can find another great small ball 5 defender (tho prob not!) but i just buy into the idea that there is something about him & steph that is just him & steph

so in a sense you’re both making correct points. i think in this poll, my understanding of it, i’m voting (i voted?) DRAY

i think dray absolutely fit beautifully with this warriors team, and that does include klay, but i also think you could build a million different great teams of all different configurations around steph, one reason dray really takes steph to the next level with this team is theyve always been short on ball handling and playmaking and dray provides that

of course one of the reasons they were short on ball handling and play making is klay does not dribble or pass

can i say one of the things that annoys me with the canonization of dray is people are always talking about the grabbing and going and say how many teams have a center who can do that, and they say that about a lot of the stuff he does, but dray has spent the great majority of his career playing the four, and the reason for that is he couldnt hold up as a full time center

not that many true 4s doing that either!

its a lot more than centers, i mean no ones saying whos got a four who can do that because then youd have to list a bunch of teams and the point wouldnt really land, which is why they say center

if we're talking about who's more essential to the dubs dynasty i think the answer is dray based on all the otm stuff jordan said a few posts ago.

the original q of this thread was "who is better at basketball" which sounds more like a simmonsy where do they rank in the pantheon kind of thing tho, and to that i can't help but feel like dray's career ended up being his absolute best case scenario, whereas we'll never really know how klay would have developed as a player if he had had to be the guy. not saying the klay we ended up with wasn't the perfect match for his role, but i can imagine his game developing differently and his racking up more individual type accolades if he hadn't playing next to steph, maybe was instead paired with a conventional all star big man like lamarcus aldridge or something

idk i think one of the things that makes the question interesting is klay also benefited from being on the warriors i mean what does a shooter want but open shots, in conclusion the answer to dray vs kay is steph

can't argue with that

i think klay is prob a better basketball player but i also think klay’s skills are very identifiable — quick release, perfect form, ability to shoot at crazy angles, could put it on the floor in his prime. even on defense, what he did — guard the best perimeter player — was very central to the action occupying the eye.

with dray some of his skills are like that, like when he runs the break as a big, his passing, his chemistry with steph would be apparent to even a novice. but a lot of what he does especially on defense is him having a very sharp basketball mind, not rim protection or locking down the no 1 man or whatever. it’s entirely possible he’s the better basketball player than klay

They're both Brock Purdy and Steph is Shanahan. System players.

Come on, they've had individual and team performances that are all time. Dray's game 7 performance in the 2016 finals says everything about him. He's the ultimate team player and when motivated would have been an elite piece on any team. His superpower is his drive and pettiness.

As well as intelligence. The only way he's a "bust" is if some completely incompetent coaching missed his potential.

By bust I mean "average" or an afterthought of a player. As a second rounder, any value is a win.