right on. been a long time since I pulled out PG3 - will have to rectify
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 February 2017 01:03 (seven years ago) link
"Dance on a Volcano" is the shit
― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 February 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link
In which I discuss one of the worst songs recorded.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
Get this stat: every Genesis album through We Can’t Dance outsold its predecessor in England, an unsurpassed record.
whoa, I didn't know that. that's what, 14 straight albums?
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
I thought I was getting bored of this band earlier this year, but Duke and particularly Invisible Touch sounded phenomenal last time I heard 'em.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
Even parts of And Then There Were Three. "Many Too Many" has the misty fall atmosphere of Wind & Wuthering.
― dinnerboat, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
still my fave genesis song. from my fave genesis album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdJkOMYzVFE&list=RDTzL-up4ZKgI&index=2
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
There's a dude at the bar that looks like a super tanned Mike Rutherford.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 January 2018 01:21 (six years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/track/3qmYlsTbC9CD9SGoVmaEDa?si=KBxsIwV0RV2WfJMWvsv7jA
Tonight Tonigjt Tonigt is almost 9 minutes long. Settle in
― calstars, Sunday, 15 April 2018 03:26 (six years ago) link
I have no idea what year it's from and I'm not looking it up but I've had That's All in my head for well over a month now and I think I'm going to lose it soon.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
TBF it's a solid jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzyn60Zns-E
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
For a while I hated it but now I think I like it again. I still think it sounds like something from The Muppet Show.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link
I like it a lot. It has a jaunty late beatles whiff to it and I dig the subtle liquified guitar chords daubed in here and there
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link
I love the drums. Sounds like it might be all Simmons pads, but some of his fills are super tight and fluid, especially for rudimentary electric drums of the era.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
there's been an awful lot of phil about lately. maybe because of his tour, but I seem to hear him out and about more often than I have in years, including this song, which I heard in a walgreens yesterday (and I love that song)
― akm, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
1976-1986, say.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
you didn't
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 December 2018 14:36 (five years ago) link
totally agree that the gabriel years are in this day and age over-hyped and under-rewarding. they just never pulled together SONGS the way yes, floyd, and crimson did imho. otoh "turn it on again" is one of the best "rock" songs ever and phil's transfiguration from drummer to better-than-gabriel as a solo artist is one of the most compelling trajectories in pop history . . . until he started to really suck and give elton a run for his schmaltz money
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 December 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link
A silent tear of blood is dribbling down my cheek :(
― jmm, Friday, 28 December 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
He wasn't better than Gabriel solo, just better at making moderately exciting and modestly ahead of its time pop music.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
"take me home" > any gabriel solo jam
i've been a prisoner all my life too
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 December 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
favorite/best genesis solo album of all is voyage of the acolyte though
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 December 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
Phil in very good voice doing "Follow You Follow Me" live with Mike Rutherford. This was the among first Genesis tunes I heard -- I bought the 7", I don't think I was older than 11. Loved it & got "Seconds Out." A backwards path at the time -- I copped "Nursery Cryme" & "Foxtrot" used after that, and had to try to figure out for myself how the band could have become so different over time -- this was all pre-Abacab times.
Anyway this is lovely.
https://youtu.be/KiHdG4zSx1w
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
truly outstanding caption from the uploader btw
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
I think "Still not dead yet" is the name of the tour? LOLs if not tho
― Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
Duke and Invisible Touch are two of the very best records this band ever made, and as much as I love Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and A Trick of the Tail, I'd have to go for 1978-1991 era.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
I saw this tour at the Royal Albert Hall last year, not my choice but my wife used to work with his manager and they gave us freebies and for a bit of a jape put us in a box with one of Phil's childhood friends and Eric Cl@pton and his daughters, it was totally surreal.
― MaresNest, Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link
Obviously, he still has his physical problems, but he's looking a hell of a lot better in that video than some of the footage that was doing the 'rounds last year, where he looked medicated up to the eyeballs. It's good to see him doing something, though - this guy has had some unnecessary shit flung his way over the years. I've come to appreciate him as one of the greats in recent years - not a stance I always had, particularly regarding his solo work!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
Follow is such a pretty song.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:33 (four years ago) link
Amazing live footage from 1976 (shot in 2:35:1! Bill Bruford on second drum kit!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrK2WwHwmHY
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link
that's fantastic
― Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
not sure i ever grasped how delicate and just pretty PC's voice was back then (when to be fair to me i had zero interest in genesis, who always just baffled me given how much my schoolchums loved em)
― mark s, Friday, 27 March 2020 00:09 (four years ago) link
Sleeping audience shots in that rule.
Phil is such an underrated singer. It's amazing to me that lore has him the guy who drew he short straw. But, like, Bernard Sumner, sure, I believe he was not a first choice. But Phil is so close to Peter in a lot of ways, with the, yeah, delicacy of Wyatt or something.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 March 2020 00:59 (four years ago) link
Can't find the thread where I noted the similarities between Phil Collins and Roger Chapman (of Family... but strictly in restrained non-vibrato mode!) but I've since noticed that Peter Gabriel used to get compared to Roger Chapman a lot, and vice versa.
― Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:12 (four years ago) link
Also: a little Gary Brooker from Procal Harum!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOj3kJKy-_U
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 March 2020 01:19 (four years ago) link
thinking a bit more about why early 70s genesis didn't click for teen me, i reach for something that hadn't at time crystallised: i'm just not drawn to gabriel's voice, at all. i spent a long time trying and not getting it: pals enjoyed it, critics i respected wrote him up, he worked with ppl i loved loved loved (youssou n'dpur!), he seems like basically a person who's good not bad -- but no.
and eventually i realised (not all that long ago, in ilx time in fact): ok the thing is i just don't like his voice. it's not a value judgment really, more like one of those food things (to some ppl basil just tastes like soap)
what i find a bit disorientating abt this concert youtube is that it dangles this massive impossible counterfactual: if collins had *always* been the singer of gabriel-era genesis, maybe i'd have been drawn in much more? i think likely not -- i'm not sure i had a clear idea of voices-i-like as a virtue back then (i hadn't heard a wide enough range, certainly nothing like youssou) -- but maybe?
i'm also just taken by how much less, well, square they sound! maybe bcz i'm from a not-entirely-different background (which is why my schoolchums liked them so) , i always found them a bit too careful musically (and cared nothing for gabriel's theatrics or collins's stagecraft, and still don't really: the first is expensively realised village-hall panto stuff, which i got enough of at home lol, and the second is where's-me-washboard musical hall, which i wd have been a bit suspicious of as a teen and now find more interesting in social-history terms than content-wise)
but here: with bruford also present, and collins's voice, and a little more weird-noise round the edges of hackett's playing than i generally hear from him… not quite so square?
― mark s, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:05 (four years ago) link
Collins, in the mid to late 70s at least, seems to be imitating Gabriel's voice, so not sure that would have helped much.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:11 (four years ago) link
it's an interesting set because there's not very much Trick of the Tail in it - which was a shade disappointing, but never mind - so you can see them cutting and pasting and reinventing old chunks of the Gabriel-era catalogue in ways that are more musically interesting and exciting than the recorded versions
the appeal of Gabriel-era was and still is that of a spooky Victorian picture book in a dusty attic to me - totally different vibe from the band in that film, both good (to me) in different ways. not that this was necessarily Gabriel's fault/problem. it's quite funny how Collins and Bruford, maybe Rutherford, look like the only ones enjoying being on stage.
― Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link
with bruford also present, and collins's voice, and a little more weird-noise round the edges of hackett's playing than i generally hear from him… not quite so square?
This is the reaction I had. I like Foxtrot and some bits of The Lamb... but generally don't need much Gabriel-era Genesis in my life. And I like the big singles from the peak Collins era (Duke, Abacab, s/t) but don't need anything after that. The middle period, immediately post-Gabriel but pre-big hits, has never done anything for me. And yet this live footage makes that material much more interesting and makes me want to go back and listen to And Then There Were Three and Seconds Out, to see if I missed something.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:15 (four years ago) link
my Banks-hating theory is that this set represents a moment where he's not in control of the band much
― Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:18 (four years ago) link
also tbf has banks ever enjoyed anything anywhere ever (even when he was in control)?
― mark s, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link
obviously in a fairly direct and upfront way collins sounds like gabriel and sings like gabriel: and this was partly a craftman's decisio , which PC was a strong enough musician to pull off and go on to make a (vast) success of
what makes it interesting for me is that voice-wise the divide between "am actively drawn to" and "don't really care for" falls exactly between them (as collins sings here). so yes they're alike: but in some key subtle way, also not. fro memory i don't think the 80s material is designed to bring out this element in PC's singing so much, certainly not on record. and maybe the busy regular activity as a frontman just changed his voice anyway, from : which happens to many singers of course
― mark s, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:27 (four years ago) link
I find Collins singing Gabriel material less compelling precisely because his voice is so pretty. I understand my opinions are formed by my discovering the mid eighties version of the band instead of being there to listen to the evolution. I just never bought Collins singing about Rael and moonlight knights -- he's too practical or something.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:29 (four years ago) link
fro memory i don't think the 80s material is designed to bring out this element in PC's singing so much, certainly not on record. and maybe the busy regular activity as a frontman just changed his voice anyway, from : which happens to many singers of course
This is true, explaining in part why listening to Collins singing Rutherford lyrics about "my generation WILL PUT IT RIGHT" inspires deep guffawing in my part of Florida.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:36 (four years ago) link
as well as gabriel's village panto stuff that material moonlight-knight was also uninteresting to me, i had certainly read all the same very-english fantasy kidlit as gabriel and (believed that i) knew where it was done better (= in the books). for a while in the 80s i had a very good friend, very funny working-class glasgow chancer who briefly dated my sister then stayed friends, and i vividly remember a long overnight drive with him down from glasgow back to london where he enthused abt yes and genesis and moonlight-knight as just this amazing portal of possibility for someone like him
(it was a good lesson for me in how thin and lazy the usual class reading of prog vs punk is: as he was also someone who had been "inspired by the pistols" to become a musician) (lol he was for a while in a band with pat kane, who he cordially loathed)
― mark s, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:38 (four years ago) link
s/b moonlight-knight material, my current symptom is apparently being unable to edit my own posts competently
― mark s, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link
Would be interesting to play the band's LPs from start to finish to someone who hasn't heard them before - pretty likely they would assume there was one singer whose voice mutated completely over a couple of decades.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:40 (four years ago) link
Selling England took 16 year-old me straight to TS Eliot so cheers to the lads for that tbh
― Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
xpost That's a good question, actually. I wonder if the stylistic break at "Duke" would be the most conspicuous point of divergence to a neophyte.
I think, for better or for worse, Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel were both really influenced by soul singers (or maybe equally/specifically white soul singers). That's something that really sets them apart from a lot of prog people, imo. For example, I can totally see Gabriel taking inspiration from, say, Steve Winwood. I can also see, for example, someone like Mark Hollis thinking himself a soul singer of sorts as well, never mind his own vocal similarities to Gabriel et al.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:43 (four years ago) link
Jon Anderson was working class himself iirc?xps
― Sund4r, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:43 (four years ago) link