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haven't heard the new one, except I liked the song w/ dawn. but of course I'm biased bc ILM made me a dawn stan back in the diddy dirty money days

bernard snowy, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:40 (seven years ago) link

DL's singing sounds good but also like every phrase is overdubbed

Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:46 (seven years ago) link

I like the 'no logo' shout, it makes it seem like a Kanye rap

oh no you made me hate it more

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:50 (seven years ago) link

that part is bad, true

Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:54 (seven years ago) link

but cool your heart is amazing

Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link

Great review, Katherine. I was just thinking about how I don't envy the critics who review this. It's a total mine field.

Evan R, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link

Awesome review, Katherine :)

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Thursday, 23 February 2017 01:06 (seven years ago) link

is this out yet?

Bee OK, Thursday, 23 February 2017 03:09 (seven years ago) link

it's on Spotify, will listen tomorrow.

Bee OK, Thursday, 23 February 2017 03:11 (seven years ago) link

Amazing work Katherine

fgti, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:18 (seven years ago) link

ya that's really good writing... Dirty Projectors SHANKED

flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:28 (seven years ago) link

i'm too scared to revis Bitte Orca (which i adored at the time) but, his singing definitely got worse, right?

flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:33 (seven years ago) link

he's repeatedly attempted to explain the lyrics in interviews with claims that they aren't always as autobiographical and direct as they seem and that he was trying to take a somewhat abstract approach to the breakup, but i don't think that approach was successful at all.

Cool Your Heart & Little Bubble are nice but the rest feels so unfocused and messy, even ignoring the lyrics.

ufo, Thursday, 23 February 2017 04:44 (seven years ago) link

someone should compile all the worst lines from reviews of bjork's last album and construct a DP review from them

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:41 (seven years ago) link

Everyone needs to take lessons from Kevin Barnes in how to air that laundry

imago, Thursday, 23 February 2017 12:18 (seven years ago) link

a state of emergency

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 February 2017 12:38 (seven years ago) link

x-post: I don't know is calling girls 'faggy' or threatening to get her beat up was ever a better look...

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 February 2017 12:50 (seven years ago) link

hey man it was 2007, things were crazy... george w bush was still in office, "what what in the butt" had just gone viral, and we were still two years away from GAPDY...

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 February 2017 14:28 (seven years ago) link

yeaaaahhh as an occasional fan I would caution against using Kevin Barnes as any kind of behavioral model (I think he'd agree tbh)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 February 2017 14:33 (seven years ago) link

Ha, I've often wondered if Barnes realizes how unacceptable Hissing Fauna is by today's standards. He made two and a half albums as a trans black person named Georgie Fruit and no major outlet called him out on it.

One thing he did get right though is making a breakup album(s) with clear affection for the ex in question. Hearing about the crisis that results from losing your support system is way more interesting than the Longstreth/Drake ex-shaming approach.

Evan R, Thursday, 23 February 2017 14:41 (seven years ago) link

joining the chorus of "outstanding review, katherine"

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link

i find the preoccupation with the lyrics strange and a bit suspect, but then again i'm a straight guy. looking forward to listening to the whole albumin

k3vin k., Thursday, 23 February 2017 14:53 (seven years ago) link

they're pretty hard to ignore

flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:07 (seven years ago) link

Ha, I've often wondered if Barnes realizes how unacceptable Hissing Fauna is by today's standards. He made two and a half albums as a trans black person named Georgie Fruit and no major outlet called him out on it.

― Evan R, Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:41 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think about this all the time. not just wrt Of Montreal, but in general how much problematic shit hipsters got away with only 10 years ago that they would get dragged for now

flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link

yeah i mean Dan Deacon has a song called "I Have AIDS" on his first album

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:11 (seven years ago) link

the recruitment of Kanye and Tupac and Roberta Flack and Molly Bloom as the unvolunteered Greek chorus of a mundane twentysomething relationship

screaming

amazing rvw katherine

lex pretend, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link

there was this one thread, i think about jay-z, discussing the phenomenon where an artist's contemporary horribleness retroactively taints their early work, because with hindsight you can hear the rot setting in. that dynamic seems in place here for me ... this is foregrounding all my latent distaste for dude and his thing

pre millennial tension (uptown churl), Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:16 (seven years ago) link

just re-read, so dope. channeling early-ilx density + vitriol

flopson, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link

this is.....not great but lolling at everyone falling over themselves to kill the guy from dirty projectors

call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link

GAPDY shall fall, one by one

imago, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link

karen o will turn out to be a spider-squasher

imago, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link

I feel like I have to give this a chance because I liked the last couple of albums, but I also think I'm going to end up regretting it

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link

I legit love Dirty Projectors. I think what really gets under my skin about this is not just the fact that I think the thesis of this record is tantamount to abuse, but that there is a larger weirder paradigm represented, the paradigm of "successful"-musicians-responding-poorly-to-a-bear-market. Everything about that Tumblr post and every Kanye- and Tupac-reference, it just screams of a person clinging to their perceived relevancy of yesterday instead of existing in the present-tense, and allowing their divestment from industry expectation to be a liberating force, artistically. I guess I just wish somebody as talented as DL clearly is would work to prove to all of us that his music is necessary in 2017. This is part of the reason why I have so much respect for Sufjan I guess, who I didn't ever love at his zenith, but became really passionate about as he continued to burn every previous record as he went

fgti, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link

great post

imago, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:45 (seven years ago) link

putting aside the content that really nails it, this record was made by someone who thinks it's still 2008 and also desperately needs an editor

call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link

It's a good album! But with horrible lyrics. And it's not just the misogyny - though that would be enough - but the guy just isn't a very good storyteller, and he was more interesting when he was just yelling Bitte Orca Orca Orca Bitte. Musically, it's cool, though.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link

idk I heard "Work Together" and thought I heard a cat playing a Mellotron.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link

booming post, fgti

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:49 (seven years ago) link

CAD otm

k3vin k., Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link

yeah otm. it's such a bummer because i love the way he puts music together, which is no small thing.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link

I am trying to give this a fair shake but I'm only on track 2 and already gritting my teeth

the phrase "inept hipster Timberlake" keeps popping up in my head

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link

(that is a specific reaction to "Death Spiral", not a description of DP overall)

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link

i had some hope based on up in hudson but i think that's the only song here w/a decent chorus and it's 7 and a half minutes long.

the auto-tune stuff is actually embarrassing

call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link

a few of the beats are so 2007-era Burial.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link

Ha, I've often wondered if Barnes realizes how unacceptable Hissing Fauna is by today's standards. He made two and a half albums as a trans black person named Georgie Fruit and no major outlet called him out on it.

― Evan R, Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:41 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think about this all the time. not just wrt Of Montreal, but in general how much problematic shit hipsters got away with only 10 years ago that they would get dragged for now

― flopson, Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:09 AM (forty-eight minutes ago)

yeah i generally view askance the recent impulse among critics (and "critics") to snap-pan any kind of art that fails to flatter intersectionalist twitter sensibilities, but even as a big fan of that period of of montreal it is a bit shocking to think about what he got away with. that said, he made some great art, and sometimes great art is messy

k3vin k., Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:12 (seven years ago) link

idk I heard "Work Together" and thought I heard a cat playing a Mellotron.

I'm on this song now and laughing my ass off thanks to this comment

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link

xp otm. i was gearing up to defend this record b/c if a guy needs to work through his breakup and sound like an asshole sometimes that's not really that huge of a crime, unfortunately the music isn't worth defending.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link

someone should compile all the worst lines from reviews of bjork's last album and construct a DP review from them

― mookieproof, Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:41 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

vulnicura is a pretty good comparison point here, actually -- a huge amount of autobiographical breakup feelings, but very little contempt. (a lot of reviews of "stonemilker" for instance seemed flabbergasted at the idea that someone might talk about "emotional respect".)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link

as far as the "slap-panning" of art that "fails to flatter intersectionalist twitter sensibilities" in this thread, well, a) I didn't like dirty projectors to begin with and the year of our lordfuckoff GAPDY was particularly suffocating in terms of what was allowed to be seen as good; b) I get steeped in enough contempt in life, I really don't need it in art, particularly when there is other art to listen to instead

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link

as far as "Everything about that Tumblr post and every Kanye- and Tupac-reference, it just screams of a person clinging to their perceived relevancy of yesterday instead of existing in the present-tense, and allowing their divestment from industry expectation to be a liberating force, artistically." goes (sorry, cross-responding to a lot): I don't know which Tumblr post you're talking about, but as for the latter, sure, it might be that, but it seems more likely that virtually every less-interesting-than-he-thinks twentysomethingdude thinks that the fact that he listens to well-known rap artists is noteworthy.

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link


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