i'm so pissed that the miggy cabrera intentional walk single will never happen again
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:04 (seven years ago) link
ugh
― na (NA), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link
what about the Johnny Bench WORLD SERIES fake-IBB strikeout?
(1972)
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:15 (seven years ago) link
i was not alive but that sounds tremendous
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:18 (seven years ago) link
i know ive posted it before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPCNP4_qXo
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:34 (seven years ago) link
that's bizarre that they did that with two strikes
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:51 (seven years ago) link
i am in favor of pitch clocks but very much NOT in favor of not having to actually throw the pitches for an IBB wth
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 09:49 (seven years ago) link
As a way for all sides to save face (the commish wanted a strike zone change but ffs you can't spring that on the players on short notice in the middle of spring training), this IBB thing suits its purpose.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 11:58 (seven years ago) link
Grant Brisbee, like me, is concerned about the commish's "desperate urgency"
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/22/14693248/mlb-rule-changes-rob-manfred-intentional-walks-strike-zone
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Seven-pitch-maximum at-bats -- no "staying alive" with two-strike fouls. If you can't put the ball in play and/or reach base in seven pitches or less, sit down. Three strikes of any combination -- you're out. Quicker game, starters go a little deeper. Will never happen, obv.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
offense would go way way down
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
Tough.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
^apostate
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link
@MyKBOPace of Play: Will MLB make guys sprint to first after getting hit? KBO rules state player must run to 1st before removing protective gear
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:07 (seven years ago) link
marchman concurs: http://deadspin.com/baseballs-new-intentional-walk-scheme-is-a-pointless-o-1792633670
my sense is that ownership is indeed frightened, in the long term, about the millennials and their tiny attention spans -- but that fright pales beside anything money-related. this seems more like manfred flexing for the union. if he can paint the union as backward and unhelpful on something relatively meaningless, maybe he can later bargain it away for something that saves owners money.
this rule change is pointless. if they really want to shorten games, enforce existing rules on leaving the batter's box, etc. allow fewer mound visits. what the hell do relievers need eight warmup pitches for? warm up in the bullpen, bitch.
(i figure we're gonna get universal DH before long, which won't shorten games either. i have made my peace with this.)
the money stuff is a constant, ongoing battle, though, and the players union has gotten rolled in the last several CBAs. i think this is mainly a feint as both sides prepare for 2021
― mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:44 (seven years ago) link
there was a hypothetical on EW a few weeks ago re: how much it would cost for MLB to just make little league free for anyone who wants to play. you want young people to like this very difficult, often boring game u gotta start them young...
― ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link
also maybe stop saying it's boring
― na (NA), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link
good idea. I never would've gotten into baseball if I hadn't done little league for a few years.
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
This is utter madness, the 10-pitch AB is the tensest and best thing in all of baseball
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
except maybe triples
otm
― scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 February 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
take that, carter capps
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57PENpVAAASp_-.jpg
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:12 (seven years ago) link
otherwise known as the I Can't Believe We Had To Make This a Rule, What is This 2nd Grade Grow up Carter Capps Come On rule
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
i was gonna throw a jab in at jordan walden as well but he's probably already reaching for the whisky bottle anyway
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
weird. i guess two hops is bad, but Capps' single-hop is ok?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-has-clarified-its-carter-capps-position/
Importantly, MLB determined the above delivery was legal. Based on their own interpretation of the rules, MLB gave Capps’ motion its blessing, so long as he didn’t jump *up*. It was emphasized that Capps would have to drag his back foot. So it remains....One hop is fine, while 2+ are not. There was Jordan Walden, and now there is Carter Capps. The way baseball explains it, there’s nothing wrong with the way Capps throws, so long as there’s something of a “drag line” in the dirt.
...One hop is fine, while 2+ are not. There was Jordan Walden, and now there is Carter Capps. The way baseball explains it, there’s nothing wrong with the way Capps throws, so long as there’s something of a “drag line” in the dirt.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link
really don't understand why the MLB doesn't just avoid the confusion and slippery slope and just make the rule that you have to be in contact with the rubber when you release the ball. you know, the...normal way of pitching
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
― Andy K, Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:37 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the worst thing I've ever read
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
srsly
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
i'm not sure normal pitching involves being in contact with the rubber at the moment of release? the back foot coming up/off seems to happen right around the release point for most guys
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:48 (seven years ago) link
yeah it's close for sure but it seems like a common sense approach can be taken. don't jump, don't do any other obvious weird shit. like basketball and traveling
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link
I don't watch much basketball, but I gather players travel like crazy compared to a generation or more ago.
― scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
the "two steps allowed before shooting" flex has infiltrated pretty much every other aspect of dribbling
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 March 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link
so we're all agreed that carter capps can keep pitching like that as long as he dribbles?
― qualx, Thursday, 2 March 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
seems like the next logical step
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 23:49 (seven years ago) link
bring in a long jumper, have him start on second, hit the rubber on his last jump, deliver the ball from 38 feet
'subpar stuff, but his deceptive delivery really plays up'
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 March 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
After months of haggling over the final details of the new collective bargaining agreement, the document is completed and now in the hands of printers, sources said. This clears the way for the pace-of-action conversations between Major League Baseball and the players' association that are destined to have a lasting impact on a sport long celebrated for its timelessness.Baseball officials and players may ultimately embrace -- or confront -- two words that seemed unimaginable even five or 10 years ago: pitch clock. And as the union and MLB exchange ideas in the months ahead, some players privately hope that part of the solution is the advent of an electronic strike zone, which they believe could serve to move the games along as much as a time limit between pitches.
Baseball officials and players may ultimately embrace -- or confront -- two words that seemed unimaginable even five or 10 years ago: pitch clock. And as the union and MLB exchange ideas in the months ahead, some players privately hope that part of the solution is the advent of an electronic strike zone, which they believe could serve to move the games along as much as a time limit between pitches.
http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post/_/id/16805/olney-baseball-keeps-getting-slower-but-change-will-come-by-2018
― Andy K, Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link
i am totally on-board with a pitch clock. automatic ball. plus actual enforcement of the batter's box rule ffs. an automatic strike if they step out. DONE. once players got used to it you'd forget it was there. imagine! an end to interminable fiddling with batting gloves, etc.
fuck an electronic strike zone though. a dramatic, physical punch-out from the ump to end an inning is one of the greatest things in baseball.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:01 (six years ago) link
I'd be cool with a dramatic machine punch-out.
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:38 (six years ago) link
yeah i don't know if i'm ready for robo-umps
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link
pitch clock is long overdue tho
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
i am wary of the "unintended consequences" of rule changes that Kevin Goldstein used to warn of on the BP podcast
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
(ie What Will Joe West Do)
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link
you wouldn't be allowed to forget the pitch clock is there. mlb is obsessed with making big deals out of these things. remember when they implemented replay and treated it like a major news event every time a manager made a challenge?
― qualx, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
if there's a pitch clock they'd force every stadium to stick a big countdown right behind the batter
― qualx, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
there's been a pitch clock in AAA and AA for a couple years now and it's not a problem -- it almost never comes up, in fact. it's just a tool, not a revolution
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
I feel like the proposed mound-meeting rules unfairly target Willson Contreras, who stands to lose much from his primary form of interpersonal communication— Jeff Sullivan (@based_ball) January 19, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
icymi...Brisbee
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/1/23/16923186/mlb-pitch-clock-proposal-pace-of-play
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
yeah bring on the pitch clock obviously
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link
so this was weird
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/2/1/16961470/mlb-pitch-clock-rob-manfred-players
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 February 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
there's gonna be a lot of weird maneuvering like this as we edge toward CBA armageddon
i'm sure that manfred and management do indeed want the games to be shorter -- also pretty sure that they'd gladly jettison it as a bargaining chip for something that would save them money
― mookieproof, Friday, 2 February 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
There was an observation on EW about how the BA points gained by LH batters are lost in the aggregate because teams ALSO cant shift against righties, which reenforces the belief that shifting righties doesn’t really work
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 16:24 (ten months ago) link
My favorite thing about the pitch clock is that there's no time to replay the pitch I just saw. Keep the camera on the action, such as it is.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:18 (ten months ago) link
They've gotten better at showing replays within the allotted time, gave them fits at the beginning of the year
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:52 (ten months ago) link
Braves aren't showing replays on balls in play if they're just groundouts or flyouts. Arcia just went out to short center to make a nice over the shoulder catch, no replay. I'm really loving this -- it more closely matches the experience of being at the park.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 19:12 (ten months ago) link