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@JeffPassan
Rob Manfred: There will not be substantive rules changes in 2017 due to "lack of cooperation from the MLBPA."

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link

@EricFisherSBJ
And Manfred then reveals a new chestnut in new labor deal: a unilateral ability by the league to impose rules changes as soon as next yr

@JeffPassan
Among the rules changes MLB could impose, per Manfred: a pitch clock, a smaller strike zone, fewer visits to the mound, auto-intentional BB.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link

yay lack of cooperation

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link

As part of its initiative to improve pace-of-game play, Major League Baseball has approved a change to the intentional walk rule, going from the traditional four-pitch walk to a dugout signal, team and union sources told ESPN's Howard Bryant.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18737245/mlb-union-agree-get-rid-traditional-intentional-walkwill-use-signal-dugout

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:01 (seven years ago) link

this will save nearly 12 seconds per game

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:40 (seven years ago) link

i'm so pissed that the miggy cabrera intentional walk single will never happen again

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:04 (seven years ago) link

ugh

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link

what about the Johnny Bench WORLD SERIES fake-IBB strikeout?

(1972)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:15 (seven years ago) link

i was not alive but that sounds tremendous

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:18 (seven years ago) link

i know ive posted it before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPCNP4_qXo

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:34 (seven years ago) link

that's bizarre that they did that with two strikes

k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:51 (seven years ago) link

i am in favor of pitch clocks but very much NOT in favor of not having to actually throw the pitches for an IBB wth

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 09:49 (seven years ago) link

As a way for all sides to save face (the commish wanted a strike zone change but ffs you can't spring that on the players on short notice in the middle of spring training), this IBB thing suits its purpose.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 11:58 (seven years ago) link

Grant Brisbee, like me, is concerned about the commish's "desperate urgency"

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/22/14693248/mlb-rule-changes-rob-manfred-intentional-walks-strike-zone

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link

Seven-pitch-maximum at-bats -- no "staying alive" with two-strike fouls. If you can't put the ball in play and/or reach base in seven pitches or less, sit down. Three strikes of any combination -- you're out. Quicker game, starters go a little deeper. Will never happen, obv.

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link

offense would go way way down

k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link

Tough.

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link

^apostate

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link

@MyKBO
Pace of Play: Will MLB make guys sprint to first after getting hit? KBO rules state player must run to 1st before removing protective gear

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 22:07 (seven years ago) link

marchman concurs: http://deadspin.com/baseballs-new-intentional-walk-scheme-is-a-pointless-o-1792633670

my sense is that ownership is indeed frightened, in the long term, about the millennials and their tiny attention spans -- but that fright pales beside anything money-related. this seems more like manfred flexing for the union. if he can paint the union as backward and unhelpful on something relatively meaningless, maybe he can later bargain it away for something that saves owners money.

this rule change is pointless. if they really want to shorten games, enforce existing rules on leaving the batter's box, etc. allow fewer mound visits. what the hell do relievers need eight warmup pitches for? warm up in the bullpen, bitch.

(i figure we're gonna get universal DH before long, which won't shorten games either. i have made my peace with this.)

the money stuff is a constant, ongoing battle, though, and the players union has gotten rolled in the last several CBAs. i think this is mainly a feint as both sides prepare for 2021

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:44 (seven years ago) link

there was a hypothetical on EW a few weeks ago re: how much it would cost for MLB to just make little league free for anyone who wants to play. you want young people to like this very difficult, often boring game u gotta start them young...

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link

also maybe stop saying it's boring

na (NA), Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link

good idea. I never would've gotten into baseball if I hadn't done little league for a few years.

frogbs, Thursday, 23 February 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

Seven-pitch-maximum at-bats -- no "staying alive" with two-strike fouls. If you can't put the ball in play and/or reach base in seven pitches or less, sit down. Three strikes of any combination -- you're out. Quicker game, starters go a little deeper. Will never happen, obv.

This is utter madness, the 10-pitch AB is the tensest and best thing in all of baseball

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

except maybe triples

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 23 February 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

otm

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 February 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link

take that, carter capps

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57PENpVAAASp_-.jpg

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:12 (seven years ago) link

otherwise known as the I Can't Believe We Had To Make This a Rule, What is This 2nd Grade Grow up Carter Capps Come On rule

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link

i was gonna throw a jab in at jordan walden as well but he's probably already reaching for the whisky bottle anyway

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 March 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link

weird. i guess two hops is bad, but Capps' single-hop is ok?

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-has-clarified-its-carter-capps-position/

Importantly, MLB determined the above delivery was legal. Based on their own interpretation of the rules, MLB gave Capps’ motion its blessing, so long as he didn’t jump *up*. It was emphasized that Capps would have to drag his back foot. So it remains.

...One hop is fine, while 2+ are not. There was Jordan Walden, and now there is Carter Capps. The way baseball explains it, there’s nothing wrong with the way Capps throws, so long as there’s something of a “drag line” in the dirt.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link

really don't understand why the MLB doesn't just avoid the confusion and slippery slope and just make the rule that you have to be in contact with the rubber when you release the ball. you know, the...normal way of pitching

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link

Seven-pitch-maximum at-bats -- no "staying alive" with two-strike fouls. If you can't put the ball in play and/or reach base in seven pitches or less, sit down. Three strikes of any combination -- you're out. Quicker game, starters go a little deeper. Will never happen, obv.

― Andy K, Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:37 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the worst thing I've ever read

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 March 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link

srsly

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link

i'm not sure normal pitching involves being in contact with the rubber at the moment of release? the back foot coming up/off seems to happen right around the release point for most guys

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:48 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's close for sure but it seems like a common sense approach can be taken. don't jump, don't do any other obvious weird shit. like basketball and traveling

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link

I don't watch much basketball, but I gather players travel like crazy compared to a generation or more ago.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link

the "two steps allowed before shooting" flex has infiltrated pretty much every other aspect of dribbling

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 March 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link

so we're all agreed that carter capps can keep pitching like that as long as he dribbles?

qualx, Thursday, 2 March 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link

seems like the next logical step

k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 23:49 (seven years ago) link

bring in a long jumper, have him start on second, hit the rubber on his last jump, deliver the ball from 38 feet

'subpar stuff, but his deceptive delivery really plays up'

mookieproof, Friday, 3 March 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

After months of haggling over the final details of the new collective bargaining agreement, the document is completed and now in the hands of printers, sources said. This clears the way for the pace-of-action conversations between Major League Baseball and the players' association that are destined to have a lasting impact on a sport long celebrated for its timelessness.

Baseball officials and players may ultimately embrace -- or confront -- two words that seemed unimaginable even five or 10 years ago: pitch clock. And as the union and MLB exchange ideas in the months ahead, some players privately hope that part of the solution is the advent of an electronic strike zone, which they believe could serve to move the games along as much as a time limit between pitches.

http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post/_/id/16805/olney-baseball-keeps-getting-slower-but-change-will-come-by-2018

Andy K, Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link

i am totally on-board with a pitch clock. automatic ball. plus actual enforcement of the batter's box rule ffs. an automatic strike if they step out. DONE. once players got used to it you'd forget it was there. imagine! an end to interminable fiddling with batting gloves, etc.

fuck an electronic strike zone though. a dramatic, physical punch-out from the ump to end an inning is one of the greatest things in baseball.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:01 (six years ago) link

I'd be cool with a dramatic machine punch-out.

a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:38 (six years ago) link

yeah i don't know if i'm ready for robo-umps

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link

pitch clock is long overdue tho

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link

i am wary of the "unintended consequences" of rule changes that Kevin Goldstein used to warn of on the BP podcast

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link

(ie What Will Joe West Do)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link

you wouldn't be allowed to forget the pitch clock is there. mlb is obsessed with making big deals out of these things. remember when they implemented replay and treated it like a major news event every time a manager made a challenge?

qualx, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link

if there's a pitch clock they'd force every stadium to stick a big countdown right behind the batter

qualx, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link

there's been a pitch clock in AAA and AA for a couple years now and it's not a problem -- it almost never comes up, in fact. it's just a tool, not a revolution

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link

Love baseball’s commitment to bad science

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:03 (one year ago) link

i don’t understand why lowering the mound 6 inches is never on the cards

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

good long article on ABS. this jumped out at me:

Until recently, the technology and application had been substandard -- including a previous version, used in the 2019 Arizona Fall League, that was laughably bad, with curveballs that clipped the bottom front of the zone hitting the plate and being called strikes. MLB scuttled that three-dimensional zone for 2D, upgraded to the Hawk-Eye system best known for its incredibly accurate line-calling in tennis and installed a dozen cameras calibrated to the fixed items on the field -- home plate and the chalked baselines -- that capture the flight of the ball at 330 frames per second.

does that mean the strike zone is no longer defined as a pentagonal solid??

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:15 (ten months ago) link

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-have-the-new-rules-changed-the-game/

so far, mostly good, it seems.

...For the most part, I think MLB’s rule changes have been a success. The main observable change is tempo; games are lasting less time despite a similar amount of action. That’s a big change, and as measured by pitch violations, it hasn’t excessively affected any particular team or player. Instead, the game is just moving faster, which was the stated goal of the changes.

Changing the rules to increase stolen bases seems to have worked roughly as expected: Teams are running more frequently and with more success. Those steals aren’t making the game unrecognizable, though; we’re talking about an extra half a steal per game, give or take. I think there was reason to worry whether steals would become undefendable, but the evidence suggests that hasn’t happened. Catchers who control the running game are more valuable than in recent years, but that’s also hardly an unwelcome change. For the most part, I think that the extra steals leave the game looking like a slightly faster version of itself, just like the pitch timer changes.

On the downside, the new restrictions on infield shifts haven’t accomplished much of anything. Lefties are reaching base more frequently when they put the ball on the ground, but not at pre-shift rates. Defensive positioning is still taking hits away, particularly in the middle of the field. Righty batters still have a slight BABIP advantage on lefties thanks to infield positioning. If the league wants to fix that disparity, there will have to be stricter shift restrictions, probably centered around keeping the area behind second base empty.

If you were hoping for mostly the same baseball, congratulations: you’ve got it. If you were hoping for teams to start prioritizing speedy lefty singles hitters, or for batters to start trying to keep the ball on the ground to take advantage of the new defensive restrictions, that hasn’t panned out. Teams are scoring more this year, but that’s mostly unrelated to rules changes. I think that’s great; from my perspective, the league has threaded the needle by affecting how games look without putting their thumb on the scale of offensive and defensive balance.

z_tbd, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 15:47 (ten months ago) link

There was an observation on EW about how the BA points gained by LH batters are lost in the aggregate because teams ALSO cant shift against righties, which reenforces the belief that shifting righties doesn’t really work

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 16:24 (ten months ago) link

My favorite thing about the pitch clock is that there's no time to replay the pitch I just saw. Keep the camera on the action, such as it is.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:18 (ten months ago) link

They've gotten better at showing replays within the allotted time, gave them fits at the beginning of the year

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:52 (ten months ago) link

Braves aren't showing replays on balls in play if they're just groundouts or flyouts. Arcia just went out to short center to make a nice over the shoulder catch, no replay. I'm really loving this -- it more closely matches the experience of being at the park.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 19:12 (ten months ago) link


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