DEMON'S SOULS A GAME FOR SONY PLAYSTATION 3

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ah memories

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totally beating this game today. only King Allant (and whatever is after) remains, and i've fought him a few times, it seems a lot like the Artorias and Abyss Watcher boss fights.

so far its not going good. im having a hard time just getting up the stairs! at least they drop lots of Full Moon Grass.

fought him only a few times. his attacks are not that hard to anticipate/dodge but you can't afford to make many mistakes. once i got him to 10% and then i healed when i should've rolled.

i beat Demon's Souls late last night/early this morning. really love the ending, very mysterious. great final boss, cool final area and final final boss. Dark Souls tried to pull this off and flailed-failed spectacularly w the Bed of Chaos. no Izalith here - Demon's Souls is very consistently good throughout, maybe the most consistently good game in the series next to 3.

what great game, and great to play coming off Dark Souls 3, which in many ways pays homage to this first entry. Demon's is the essence of souls, it is all here, not even really that roughly, but in a very polished and realized state. it was truly a game-changer.

i would rank it above Dark Souls as a better game tbh. Dark Souls is much more cruel of a game and somewhat inconsistent in its second subterranean half. Dark Souls 2 is a weird spin off and 3 feels like the true sequel to Demon's Souls. one day i will have to buy a PS4 and play thru Bloodborne for the first time. :-p

this game is so good, the level select screen is one of the coolest most memorable areas in gaming.

i got the platinum for this, don't typically care for that sort of thing but i figured why not. pure bladestone took only abt 15 min of farming. so there's that

I don't either, but I did go the extra mile and platinum Dark Souls 1. Kind of a fun experience, but also one that you can fuck up easily and have to go through another play-through to rectify.

demon's souls online termination date feb 28, 2018 RIP

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THEY DIED

ive been playing this but never see anyone online. is this Japan servers only?

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demon's souls a game for sony playstation 5

they keep pulling me back in

Cool, I guess? If I had never played it I would be excited. But it's gonna take a brand new From game to get me to think about a new platform.

And in terms of pvp it's hard to imagine going back to the very beginning after all the refinements in the other games, but it would be cool if there some big changes (like finishing the cut content, and doing something more scrutable with the world tendency business).

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if they don't do some heavy reworking and expansion, i'll be shocked.

Demon’s is still my second favorite From game behind Souls 1 so I am very onboard with this.

Here's a question for everyone. The original Demon's Souls was released on the PS3, but skipped the PS4. All of the other Soulsborne games *did* make it to the PS4, but often with notoriously erratic performance, at least as far as video game nerds are concerned. Hence, Dark Souls gets remastered, DS2 updated/changed, or the way Dark Souls 3 later got optimized for PS4 Pro (iirc Bloodborne - the only PS exclusive - never got enhanced for Pro or changed in any way). All, iirc, were originally released at or at least aimed for 30fps, right? With 60fps an idealized goal of updates/mods/fixes and so on. So Demon's Souls is getting remade ... but only for the PS5, which is obviously more powerful than the PS3 and PS4. And yet, even with all the added power, the game will offer two modes, one that will focus on fidelity, and the other on frame rate, which implies it's still going to be pushing at the edges of the new system's capacity. The (buried) question is why is this not coming out for the PS4, which was capable of handling each of its From predecessors? What is it about this remake in particular, a remake of the *oldest* and one must assume most technologically primitive game in the series, that makes it suited to the PS5 but not the PS4? Or, for that matter, unable to provide *both* fidelity and frame rate? What makes it different from Sekiro, Bloodborne, Dark Souls et al that it needs PS5 specs (and even then an either/or sort of scenario), or is being it offered as a PS5 title just because, bypassing PS4 strategically rather than by necessity?

My understanding is that it's not technical, but that Sony owns the rights to it, so From/Bandai Namco couldn't do anything with it even if they wanted to.

Seems like it wasn't necessary for Sony to pull out for PS4 because they had Bloodborne as an exclusive and plenty of From games, but now they need some juice for the PS5 (and who knows what's going on with Elden Ring).

Dark Souls originally came out for PS3, right?

not just sony and namco and from, atlus also supposedly had rights to it because they were the north american distributors. this had been talked about ad nauseam by souls fans for years. don't know what changed to allow this to happen or if it really just was up to sony.

anyway remasters are dumb they should do demons souls 2. probably one of the only games that could spur me to buy a ps5 before they start showing up on craigslist for $75.

That's what I meant by "strategically," that it gives PS5 an exclusive with a built in fan base to immediately attract. Of course there is no reason it could not have been released on PS4 in some form, but I'm also wondering if what gets released on PS5 even *could* be released on PS4. That is, will it represent any sort of real, noticeable advance over what's come after the original Demon's Souls? I was looking at the Bloodborne wiki, and saw this: "Miyazaki had wanted ... everything to be as detailed as possible, and felt that such a game was only possible on eighth generation hardware. This need for high-end hardware, and the fact that the PlayStation 4 was presented to the company first, was the reason the game was a PS4 exclusive, rather than a cross-generation release." By all accounts Bloodborne was a lot more stable and detailed than Dark Souls, and Dark Souls III of course took advantage of those advances. So will Demon's Souls Redux be a step beyond Bloodborne/DS3/Sekiro to take advantage of PS5? I was just surprised to see a remade old game still not be able to hit both high graphics or frame rate benchmarks at the same time, you'd think the PS5 would be able to handle that (for example, Control is reportedly already being rejiggered for the new system to take advantage of new tech to better performance).

all games are released "strategically", they're products

i don't know anything about this remaster so i'll take you at your word regarding the two separate modes. the industry has prioritized fidelity over performance for decades because fidelity is what the industry decided to build video game marketing around from day 1. frame rate has always played second fiddle on consoles which are always going to have limitations. even now, 60 fps isn't really a good advertising point (a mid-range PC will always do better than that anyway) as much as it represents The Absence of Badness (30 fps), which isn't how you want to market a new console. and i imagine it doesn't really matter how much better the technology is on the ps5, consoles rarely get to the point where lowering frames doesn't allow for increased fidelity, and the industry will always go for increased fidelity when it's available. especially when marketing a new generation. the give and take between fidelity and performance isn't going away any time soon. and by the time 60 fps can truly be the new standard regardless of fidelity, studios will start aiming for 120, and the cycle begins anew.

sony/from releasing this game with two modes allows them to advertise increased fidelity, the #1 priority for a new console, while also providing comfort to the increasingly large subset of customers who reject 30 fps.

I don't think Dark Souls really had any stability issues?

And personally I don't care about frame rate, although going back and forth between Dark Souls Remastered and Dark Souls 3 was the first time I had seriously even noticed it, it takes your eyes some time to adjust going from 60 to 30 (or at least mine).

Even before I played the game I knew all about Blighttown.

xpost The dialectic I set up was strategic versus technology. That is, some games cannot run on some underpowered systems. Doom 2016 got ported to the Switch, but the latest Doom he is not going to the switch because the Switch can't handle it. It's not strategic.

Now, the new Ori being a Microsoft exclusive, that's more strategic, because its predecessor was ported to the Switch and this one isn't, afaik not because the Switch can't handle it, but because I presume Microsoft needs what few attractive exclusives it can get.

the latest doom is planned to be released on switch in the future. technology is rarely a limiting factor when there's money to be made. i don't know the story behind demon's souls being ported to ps5 instead of ps4 - the rights situation was notoriously complicated, as mentioned - but i can assure with i'd say............ 95% confidence that it was a business decision and difficulty porting to ps4 wasn't a factor.

Yeah it absolutely was a business decision. Souls is beloved and literally the only way you can play Demon’s is on PS3. It’s a minor “system seller” bump. Would be stupid to dump that on PS4 right now even though they likely totally could.

lol Josh you get so caught up in the weeds with this stuff sometimes

I mean, I get why it would be a business decision. But usually, as far as I can tell, initial games for a new powerful system are often there to show off the new powerful system. I was just wondering if they could possibly be tweaking this old game so much as to make its inclusion on PS5 justified as more than just a business decision, as a showcase, the same way, say, Shadow of the Colossus remake seemed designed to show off the PS4.

bloodborne was pretty important in establishing ps4 as the home of big exclusives, no surprise sony wants to go back to the well xp

As for stupid to drop on PS4, I was honestly surprised that Last of Us 2 was made for end of cycle PS4, because that actually seemed like an even more conspicuous lure for PS5. That and Samurai Ghosts.

I think that’s more of an issue of development time. That and Cyberpunk have been cooking for many years.

Just saying, I understand there have been delays, but we are so close to the launch of the new system and those two games seem so massively high profile you think they'd just wait a couple of more months. but I really have no idea why these companies do what they do when they do it.

I mean, I get why it would be a business decision. But usually, as far as I can tell, initial games for a new powerful system are often there to show off the new powerful system. I was just wondering if they could possibly be tweaking this old game so much as to make its inclusion on PS5 justified as more than just a business decision, as a showcase, the same way, say, Shadow of the Colossus remake seemed designed to show off the PS4.

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:21 PM (fifty-three seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i guess i don't see the same dynamic you're seeing here

it might help to stop thinking about consoles entirely and imagine what a remastered demon's souls would look and perform like on a new high-end PC. porting from PC to ps4 or ps5 would be a downgrade in both cases - it would simply be more of a downgrade going to ps4, as the game would have to be further optimized to run on it, and it would have to be optimized even further to run at 60fps. publishers generally want their games to release with the best fidelity available on whichever platform they're releasing on. they are going to attempt to make the game as flashy and modern as they can on the ps5 because the business decision was made to port it to ps5. i might be talking in circles, sorry idk

i don't think SOTC was designed specifically to show off ps4 - it released 5 years after the ps4 launched and the system had already won the war by then. it was released for the same reason as every other ps4 game by that point

TLOU2 is releasing on ps4 because it's going to make a lot of money for sony that way and launch titles aren't actually important for most consoles. it'll probably get remastered and released for ps5 in a couple years when there's enough of an install base for it to make a lot of money again. people who bought it on ps4 will buy it again on ps5 because if a game is big enough the video game hype cycle can sell anything.

So why not do that with Demon's Souls, then?

because it's a much smaller project and hasn't been in development specifically for ps4 for like 5 years

I just assume they want to pull in Souls fans with a system-seller like they did with Bloodborne on PS4.

I know Elden Ring is supposed to come out on PS4, but it's hard to believe that will happen before PS5 is out anyway.

They should release the new Game of Thrones book as a PS5 exclusive.

Is Souls available in that subscription legacy ps3 service thing on the ps4?

Only in Japan, apparently?

they... ruined the cat ring icon in demon's souls
(left original, right remake)

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RIP Demon's Souls

Watching some videos now, still find it hard to get excited about this. I don't really care about graphics (the original still looks fine to me), and it sounds like the mechanics are largely unchanged. I'm sure it would be cool if I hadn't played it already (and had a PS5, lol).

I watched some gameplay, because I was curious, and the better graphics were so smooth that nothing seemed to have any weight to it.

Playing the re-make on PS5 and it’s spectacular. Looks gorgeous, sounds and feels great, A+ production all around. Serious props to Bluepoint, immaculate, diligent work. I might struggle playing a From game at less than 60 FPS after this, the pleasure of that smoothness can’t be overstated.

Beyond that, the game just fucking holds up. I’ve always contended that Demon’s and Dark Souls 1 were the peak, but wondered if that was some rose tinted glasses thing. I don’t think it is, those games had a pace and sense of place that was kind of lost along the way.

I watched some gameplay, because I was curious, and the better graphics were so smooth that nothing seemed to have any weight to it.