ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

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The Postal Service are catchier, Junior Boys have more soul.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone made a Postal Service comparison on a Junior Boys thread, but in a dismissive fashion, i.e., how is this any different from the goddamn Postal Service?

But that's still a good question: I mean, I like both bands, and probably for some similar reasons. Junior Boys have more "mood," though, and the album's more cohesive. Then again, "Such Great Heights" is probably catchier than anything on Last Exit. What exactly does the Postal Service do wrong (other than be liked by indie asshats)?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, that was an x-post! And "mood" = "soul," I guess.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The music and the vox were all too obviously recorded in different time zones, it doesn't feel like a whole, it feels like two very separate, boring parts brought together.

Plus the asshattery

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Sundar is wise (and GYBE were my #3).

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: Well, they do kind of warn you with the name. Still, it's *way* better than that Sinatra duets album.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

true on both counts. blech.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Some of what sundar said.

Rockist Scientist away from usual PC, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

personally I like both ...Infinity and Lift Your Fists..., I haven't heard Yanqui.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i listened to (the programmed( "in search of.." the other day for the first time in maybe a couple years. it's really not all that good (save the deathless "run to the sun" and maybe "lapdance" just for the nostalgia value.). the fact that there's a record by broken social scene on the happier side of the 30s is i think the best ammunition yet for the antipitchforkitizationalists.

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I listened to that BSS album around the time it came out and forgot it instantly. Maybe it's good and I was having a bad day but probably not.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I really like a couple tracks on that album. One sounds like a leftover from Isn't Anything era MBV (the one with the bassline, I forgot what it's called).

Also, I suspect all ILM anti-pitchforkers will defend their favorite indie as not a part of the problem.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Right, cuz the Beta Band is the solution.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I prefer Metric to BSS actually

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Levez Vos Skinny Fists ..." is easily the best GYBE album. In my comments, I was taking the piss out of their other stuff (which I also like) but "Fists" is certainly the one to start with.

Spencer otm ... omg some indie is actually pretty good, oh no how can i live with myself for thinking that ...

(xpost)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Pop-guilt

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

For awhile there I thought "indie guilt" was people making others feel guilty for listening to Slint.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, don't get so defensive - you won! Be happy! :)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

RS, I wanted to ask you what Fahey's Red Cross was all about. Was it posthumous? I really like The Yellow Princess (from the 60s). Womblife (90s) is cool too. D/k his other stuff.

I don't know if they'd be your thing but I like Yanqui U. X. O. and (obv) List Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 26 August 2004 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Would it be inaccurate to say JBs are like The Postal Service if TPS didn't do everything terribly wrong?

Setting aside the Junior Boys for the moment -- the Postal Service just bug me (in contrast, a band like Joy Electric distinctly UN-bug me, so the fact that they get no attention and haven't for something like ten years while TPS are seen to be something special reminds me how hate is as important as love).

I recall thinking Yawnspeed You Goddamn Chain-Smoking Quebecois Fuckups's second full album did actually have some major keys on it. It was not enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 August 2004 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

No. 20

Points: 545
No. of votes: 26
No. of #1 votes: 0

Artist: PJ HARVEY
Title: STORIES FROM THE CITY, STORIES FROM THE SEA
Label: Island
Year: 2002

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/storiesfromthecity.jpg

Comments: n/a (argh!)

Recommended tracks: Good Fortune, A Place Called Home, You Said Something, We Float

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

tsk, year 2000 obv.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i wonder if the list looks suitably pazz and jop to chuck now

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

all i could find in the archives was people slagging that album off, oh well...

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

well it's her "crossover" album, y'see

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

all sounds like indie shite to me, so whadda iknow etc etc

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

you know THE TRUTH

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I always find that album to be pretty poppy on the whole though - certainly something like 'Good Fortune' is. It's the sound of someone who's previously been all gloomy doing loved-up optimism as best they can. In New York.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh Huh Her was my No 1. I think I can assume it won't make it now :(

Stories... (which I didn't vote for): Polly's worst album, but not because it's commercial or poppy or a rip-off of Patti Smith (all these things are responsible for its best moments); only because there is more filler than there normally is on PJ Harvey albums. It's still great, of course: heavily stylised, using the juxtaposition of a familiar sound with glorious, novel emotions (throughout, the overriding mood Polly expresses is surprise - surprise that she's capable of beautiful feelings and good fortune) to superb effect.

Recommended tracks - This Is Love, This Wicked Tongue, Kamikaze

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:39 (nineteen years ago) link

nice one Alex

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:42 (nineteen years ago) link

No. 19

Points: 554
No. of votes: 33
No. of #1 votes: 1

Artist: THE RAPTURE
Title: ECHOES
Label: Mercury
Year: 2003

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/echoes.jpg

Comments: A band forever being judged in terms of trends and influences nevertheless made both the defining single and album of an underground cross-genre that never fully lived up to its potential. The trick the DFA worked with the Rapture was to take a post-punk revivalist outfit and have them play modern updates of revivalist early 80s mutant disco and late 80s bleepy and acid house at the same time. But as an experimental band with all the jamming and instrumentation (both traditional and electronic here) and meandering that goes along with it. Personal mismatched reintepretations rather than wilful genre-mashing. How else do dancefloor retro-workouts like 'Olio' and 'I Need Your Love' work with Luke Jenner's overcommented on Robert Smith vocals when Smith himself sounds massively uncomfortable teamed with Junior Jack? On their dance tracks, Luke is as much the unique house diva as the nervy punkboy, riding over the bleeps and the loved-up warehouse bliss keys and injecting just the right amount of spiky angularity (remember, they're still post-punk). Overall, they take what they want and somehow keep things fresh and almost always livened up like any group of skill should with the DFA as ever-watching overseers. 'House Of Jealous Lovers', 'Olio' and 'I Need Your Love' are perfect dance songs in any year from 1981 onwards, and there's some great choppy, urgent and danceable white funk (Spandau alert!) on 'Killing' (punk r'n'b?), 'Echoes' (PiL*), 'The Coming Of Spring'(Go4*) and 'Heaven', which has the best hands-in-the-air chant since 'So Much Love To Give'. Closest to being weak links would be 'Sister Saviour', which uses the 'More, More, More' intro without any of the flair the better tracks have with their own rips, and is far too dirgey - the key is to balance out the aching and breaking tension in the vocals with either energy or a more stripped down, workable arrangement - the ballads, excepting 'Open Up Your Heart', which does take the stripped down route. Echoes is about love; love of people, love of experience, differences, dancing and music. And if you take it as it is and let it in, you too might feel love. (* Because I need to pretend I've down my homework)
Barima

Recommended tracks: House Of Jealous Lovers, I Need Your Love, Olio, The Coming Of Spring

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:44 (nineteen years ago) link

No. 18

Points: 566
No. of votes: 29
No. of #1 votes: 2

Artist: BOARDS OF CANADA
Title: GEOGADDI
Label: Warp
Year: 2002

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/geogaddi.jpg

The thing that always hits me about Geogaddi when I listen now is * depth *. It's one of those records where...I mostly put it on at night, you know? Like, right before I go to bed. So I'm lying there, half-dead to the world, drifting in and out of consciousness. And everything sounds so rich and full, like you could trip into one of the spaces between the beats and fall forever. And then I invariably fall asleep halfway and wake up and it seems like the thing is BOOMING out of the speakers but in reality the stereo is on fairly low (or otherwise someone would be banging on the floor.) It's stadium ambient. "This is BOC in Technicolor," I said in my review back in 2002, where I was ambivalent about the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" lack of progression in the basic sound. But now I hear that as a strength; BOC are a group where a slight tweaking of basic values, filtered through improved production nous, makes every new album the new "best BOC album." Preferring Twoism to this seems like preferring an Apple IIE to an iMac: you're just being willful. Jess

Recommeded tracks: 1969, Julie & Candy, Sunshine Recorder, The Devil Is In The Details

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

No. 17

Points: 573
No. of votes: 32
No. of #1 votes: 1

Artist: MISSY ELLIOTT
Title: MISS E...SO ADDICTIVE
Label: Elektra
Year: 2000

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/missesoaddictive.jpg

So Addictive is the first Missy album I really can love as a whole. The others somehow dind't work for me as a whole. Hard to explain why. Nothing else to add than Classic and i'll second Glitch-hop, it's the fututre of rock 'n roll you know. Omar

Recommeded tracks: Get Ur Freak On, One Minute Man, Lick Shots, Step Off

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Omar's comments from rfd: missy elliott - so addictive

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont like that most of the albums i voted for have now placed outside the top 10

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

The others somehow dind't work for me as a whole. Hard to explain why.

Two words: Jesus ballads.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

there's probably an interesting comment somwhere regarding how SO Addictive is, along with The Marshall Mathers LP one of the hip hop albums that revels in the 'ecstasy is fucking awesome' theme that hip-hop seemed to, by and large, ignore altogether previously.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

basically it's timbaland taking a stab at every genre of electronic dance music ever

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

No. 16

Points: 679
No. of votes: 29
No. of #1 votes: 1

Artist: BELLE & SEBASTIAN
Title: DEAR CATASTROPHE WAITRESS
Label: Rough Trade
Year: 2003

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/dearcatastrophewaitress.jpg

Indie sucks in 2004, and it’s all about the money. Too much money spent on rent-an-addiction frontmen, vintage tee-shirts, and overly coiffeured bedhead. Belle and Sebastian, on the other hand, consist of a chorister, a fat girl, and some other members who all look like Games Workshop employees. In a time and age where their peers are topping album charts and selling out arenas with The Jam and Stooges vulturisms, B&S take their cues on “Dear Catastrophe Waitress” from Thin Lizzy and Sir Cliff Richard. Whilst the rest of the indiegentsia are sucking from Zane Lowe’s teat, B&S speak with eagerness about how much Radio 2 got behind “Wrapped Up In Books”. Whilst Starsailor and The Vines expected you to care that they’d dug Phil Spector up from his tomb, B&S employed Trevor Horn, who’d just come off the back of getting Russian jailbait popsters to cover The Smiths. The topics of this album include: a homage to Robin Askwith movies interspersed with anti-Thatcher commentary, gay baseball stars, ex-girlfriends preferring their clothes to you, single people should praise God more, drag queens, and “Stay Loose”, which the entire history of popular music down to The Police and Squeeze, and when it hits you realise that that’s all there really is. They have a song called “Roy Walker”. Whatever the future of rock and roll is, you can be sure that Belle and Sebastian sound absolutely nothing like it. Dom Passantino

Recommeded tracks: I'm A Cuckoo, Dear Catastrophe Waitress, Stay Loose, Wrapped Up In Books

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

You're accelarating steve

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i really don't like that album, but this Belle and Sebastian, on the other hand, consist of a chorister, a fat girl, and some other members who all look like Games Workshop employees. very much makes me want to.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link


No. 15

Points: 681
No. of votes: 24
No. of #1 votes: 2

Artist: BOREDOMS
Title: VISION CREATION NEWSUN
Label: Birdman
Year: 2001

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/visioncreationnewsun.jpg

Vision Creation Newsun offers what it's title suggests: it creates a universe of its own, inviting the listener to step inside and enjoy the view on this spaced-out trip along its infinite borders and into its billowing core. Willem

Recommended tracks: 1, 3, 7, 9

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm, my number one at number 18 ah well, I surprised myself when I put it right up there, as for Dom's comments on B&S... well, I didn't vote for it as it's my least favourite of all of them, but I think sub-student journalist attacks on the weight and looks of band members are far from helpful here. Dom, you're a tw@t.

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

They might not be helpful but they're funny - and true

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the subverted compliment Dom pays...actually, who am I kidding?

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Fists opens in a major key, Ned. Never knew you were such a fan of major keys!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

No. 14

Points: 682
No. of votes: 31
No. of #1 votes: 2

Artist: WILCO
Title: YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROT
Label: WEA
Year: 2002

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/yankeehotelfoxtrot.jpg

All right, let's get it out of the way. This album is not a
masterpiece. And it's not nearly as avant-garde as the record-label-got-scared hype would have you believe. But it's still Wilco's best record, because for the first time they managed to break out of the boring Midwestern songs-to-drink-microbrews-to formula, which never once did it for me. (Okay, once: I liked the twangy "Box Full of Letters," from "A.M.") Above all, "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" knows how to use space and breath, with songs that start all open-skied and lonely and devolve into ramshackle pots-and-pans percussion (courtesy of new drummer Glenn Kotche) and shortwave static. But it's also got great tunes, from the plaintive violin-and-whiskey-tinged "Jesus, Etc." to the jangly, upbeat "Heavy Metal Drummer." It may not be canon-worthy just yet, but I'd say it's a winner. jaymc

Recommended tracks: Jesus Etc., Heavy Metal Drummer, I Am Trying To Break Your Heart, Pot Kettle Black

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you call it when the terrorists have not only won but are now the current regime?

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

stop your bitching, 14 is low considering!

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

haha

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link


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