TBF i lean against meadowlands being available to vote for, idk i dont want it to win idk idk
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
true story: i would've probably been a huge emo fan in high school but i took the pfork pan of stay what you are to heart
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
that review apparently no longer exists on the website but this tragedy still does: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8054-full-collapse/
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
also: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/4261-bleed-american/
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
the deja entendu review is also still there. the weird thing with that is i read that review at the time and thought "oh yeah, this record sounds like some bullshit" but mtv2 played "sic transit gloria" CONSTANTLY and i was like, "this song fucking rules, i'm buying the album who gives a shit"
and now i make rolling emo threads on ilx
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
so glad i didnt care about music reviews until like 2008
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
well pitchfork anyway. read the source pretty religiously for a long time
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
im pumped 4 this poll. Are you gonna do albums and tracks?
yeah i probably could've saved myself a lot of adolescent taste posturing had i never followed a link to pfork's kid a review through a radiohead fansite
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― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
Pretty sure it's the NME's fault I didn't listen to any emo records between 'From Under the Cork Tree' and the first Joyce Manor.
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:07 (seven years ago) link
all these bad p4k reviews of classic emo albums just screams of anxiety - the knock consistently appears to be that the albums aren't /serious/ enough compared to the EXTREMELY DIFFERENT and NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL college rock indie albums they're touting one review over. hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever, or listening to all of bleed american and not enjoying any of it. all these reviews sound like the reviewer yelling at their own youth.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
at the v least i'll do albums and depending how that goes i'll do tracks too maybe following? it feels like too much to run both simultaneously?
hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever
to that reviewer's credit i believe he acknowledges that some of the lyrics are great
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
give spin + andy greenwald credit for treating thursday and brand new and dashboard all seriously - i loved greenwald's nothing feels good and i remember at least a few really excellent profiles of chris carrabba at the time. probably lucky i was reading spin (and RS who iirc didn't weigh in much either way) and not p4k.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link
conversely i haaaaate the greenwald book but i hate dude's writing generally
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
well, at least nothing feels good is better than everybody hurts
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
i haven't read it since it came out so for all i know it would annoy me now but back then it felt good (lol) to see bands i loved getting a somewhat serious treatment on their level. iirc i particularly liked the conversations he had w/ the fans about why they loved this music.
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
I suffered p much exactly the same musical respectability politics issue that Brad did which is why the closest I got to emo at the time was The Wrens and the Desoto records stuff which tbh I really think should also be considered emo. Some of it (eg Shiner's The Egg) even got the dreaded emo pan
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
wait, I see that actually got a positive review, I must be thinking of something else from the same period
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
i have no idea what these bands are simon
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
oh man
the noms thread is going to feature me breathlessly droning on about guitar albums no one else gives a shit about, it's gonna suck/rule
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
Black Eyes self-titled still goes hard
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
Still listen to those guys all the time. This track goes so hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvomZe3WLo
― Evan R, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
I think there are certain Black Eyes tracks (Deformative) but maybe not the albums
― devvvine, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
otm
tbh I thought Jimmy Eat World, Jets to Brazil, etc were terrible at the time. Was much more into stuff like Small Brown Bike, Hot Water, Frodus, Shiner, PMFS... which I guess means just post-hardcore, though emo-core was what we thought of it.
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
I did like Get Up Kids though so who knows
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
oh man I remember P4k shitting on JtB (and Jawbreaker's Dear You!) for their emoness so hard
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
lol Danm never heard of any of those bands.
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
It isn't emo, but I lost nearly all respect for pitchfork when they gave Lifter Puller's Fiestas & Fiascos a 3.something rating, and then years later were slobbering all over the band after Hold Steady blew up and the LP discography came out.
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
lol I remember that!
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
Legit surprised you've never heard of Hot Water Music in an emo thread. Sad! ;) xp
honestly "best album panned by p4k" would also be a great poll
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
i would nominate q and not u personally but then i think that also opens the floodgates for like, fugazi, so idk
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
it's gonna be weird maintaining the limits of a very ill-defined genre!
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
yeah and it's gonna feel weird and wrong if like The Wrens place above Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge
then again...heartbreak over silly shit would be v emo, so
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out. Everyone was way more into the stuff coming out on DeSoto, Deep Elm, No Idea, etc.
Or maybe I just hung out with more punk rockers than it seemed like at the time. The joys of dissecting what "emo" is at 38 years old, 17 years after the fact!
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
remember when ultragrrl (i think that was her name?) called three cheers for sweet revenge this generation's nevermind
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out.
This was v much the perception in my friend circle at the time, I only learned to love them and FOB thru ILX evangelism (esp brad's) over the least few years
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:07 (seven years ago) link
i didn't like FOB until infinity on high and continue to find those earlier albums pretty boring + derivative - i think they really came into their sound around then and it has only been excellent stuff since then. MCR otoh was great from the get-go and if anything i think they kinda lost the plot the more proggy-emo they got. speaking of proggy-emo i'm unapologetically a coheed & cambria fan in particularly second stage turbine and in keeping secrets
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
particular*
second stage was a huge record for me bc it was kind of a "eureka" moment with regard to the continuity of emo bc parts of it sound like sunny day real estate
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
besides ILX I think Thursday's A City by the Light Divided was what clued me in to the fact that there was a whole world of stuff I'd previously dismissed, and tbh I don't think I'd have noticed it except for the fact that it crossed over to the indie press due to (I guess) Fridmann's involvement
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
anyway I will save my most controversial emo recommendation for the noms thread
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
i remember wanting that record to cross over more than it did. thursday were always kinda acceptable to like though, all those godspeed! you black emperor references
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
save all this talk for the poll!
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
this is the most conversational this thread has ever been and i'm enjoying it so much!
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
tru sorry
― Spottie, Friday, 10 February 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
ahaha it's ok, i also sorta agree
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2017 20:03 (seven years ago) link
last track just convinced me that i love it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link
might be more appropriate on a j-pop thread, but I like this from the Your Name ost.― devvvine, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 9:59 AM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― Nhex, Monday, 25 December 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
gonna let brad make the 2018 thread but happy new Jeff Rosenstock album day!!!
― Simon H., Monday, 1 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
oh cool, I didn't know that was coming
― jmm, Monday, 1 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
yeah it was a surprise release. he finally wrote his own britpop tune ("TV Stars")
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 13:37 (six years ago) link
new jeff is pretty good
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
yes I think that is the correct descriptor, not quite a masterwork/major statement like WORRY was but lots of great and appealingly weird moments
― Simon H., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
rolling emo/pop-punk/embarrassing music 2018
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link