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"Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill"

Best album title ever too!!!

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

Have you got it yet? Is it good? Did you order it from her website? How much was it?

Yeah, I'm still really, really into the new one. It only sounds better as it gets colder and more leaves fall off the trees.

Z S, Sunday, 5 October 2008 19:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...


czn (cozwn), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

vaguely recall a mention on ILX and an Inca Ore connection (blown away Ms. Saelens live recently, her LP one of few sweet spots of '08 for me)...

must investigate further!

also, this Grouper LP punching well above it's weight in obscurity here

fandango, Sunday, 14 December 2008 08:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

The inca ore and grouper split is from 2007. It's ok, sort of a bridge between her first records and the minimalistic approach of guitar/voice style that she used on 'dragging a dead dear'.

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

Has anybody deciphered the lyrics to 'heavy water/I'd rather be sleeping'? - so far I can only make up: 'love is enormous / it's lifting me up / i'd rather be sleeping / i'd rather fall in your tidal waves / right where the deepest currents pull'

Moka, Monday, 22 December 2008 07:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

this album ! :-O

really really good.

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:43 AM

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 22:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

If she was a dude she would still be 1000x more interesting than Fleet Fuxxes

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

^^real talk. 'Dead Deer' is on my top ten list of the year, but I don't know what she looks like (if looks are what's implied). And well, imagining the vocals as coming from a he, well that's just silly.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

btw, I wasn't quoting that as in "I agree with this", I was quoting that as in

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

I want to say something about how this album unfolds it's pleasures like a flower, at about the same speed, without it sounding dirty.

Possibly the most gorgously intimate and non "produced" sounding thing I've heard all year too. She might as well be in the room.

fandango, Sunday, 28 December 2008 23:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

This goes down well with a copy of Chris Ware's graphic novel The Smartest Kid on Earth and my Mom's fried boneless fish.

dreamsonvhs, Saturday, 11 April 2009 07:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

Plenty of us care about Sonic Boom!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 April 2009 09:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I picked this up on a whim today from amazon's mp3 store, where it's on sale for $1.99. It's remarkably gorgeous!

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

by "this" I mean the Dragging a Dead Deer album

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Deeply amused by "fart alert"

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 16:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's a damn good price (I paid $14.99 retail) and almost makes me want to switch over to buying in digital format... but not really. xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

That's exactly my sentiment, ilxor. But if a crazy low price like that leads to more people getting into her music, it's all for the better. She deserves it.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Baffling, pointless review on Tinymixtapes of the live show:

The show is sold out, but most fans are waiting to pile in after the opening act, Grouper — a one-woman showcase of bullshit. Imagine Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters. I try to salvage something from the fuzzy reverb and her long, lonely wails, but I can’t stop picturing her masturbating in front of a full-length mirror. Self-indulgence, indeed.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

...but you write for

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:14 (eight years ago) Permalink


original bgm, Friday, 12 June 2009 16:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

...but you write for

Really? That's news to me!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

if you're going to choose such an ambiguous username...

suggestzybandias (jim), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason. I saw my comment this morning and wondered what the hell I was talking about, because I don't really have any beef with

That AOL sonned thread has me thinking about who I do and do not have beefs with today.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's kinda weird with reviews like that where you can't tell if the reviewer is trying to be funny... or if they're just trying to come up with the most awe-inspiring humorless zings to satisfy their explosive rage at the act in question.

guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 19:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't really mind Enya as a reference (Enya is pretty awesome imo tho) and I have been digging pretty heavily on Dead Deer for the last couple weeks.

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters is the kind of stuff my friends say about the downtempo balearic cheeze i listen to. it kind of goes hand in hand with "elevator music for grad students", a term which used to bug me but i think i'm ok with it know

guammls (QE II), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason.

Ah, makes sense now. I laughed out loud. Nice one.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 20:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

WAY THEIR CREPT and DRAGGING A DEAD DEER are two of my favorite records right now. Is there any other stuff out there like this? Melodic, atmospheric, experimental, droning, and emotional?

dreamsonvhs, Friday, 12 June 2009 23:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

this album is kinda staggered by the one two punch of heavy water and stuck

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

dead deer obv

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 21:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

I really wish we could edit the title of this thread!

PIN number at the ATM Machine (Z S), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 22:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Video for HOLD THE WAY

dreamsonvhs, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Should have mentioned I saw her last month as the final act of the On Land festival. Entrancing, mesmerizing, etc -- if a band like School of Seven Bells is (mostly) about shoegaze as propulsion and pop, Grouper is (mostly) about it as immersion and flow.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2009 16:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Gooooorgeous live set over at the free music archive From ATP last month ...

tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

saw her columbia university when she was in NY for ATP. was great. loved the swirls of white noise running through the whole set.

original bgm, Thursday, 8 October 2009 17:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I'm pretty sure I'm going to splash out and see her on Sunday, based on these last few comments. Anybody disagree with the decision?

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 30 October 2009 00:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

Glasgow then? See you there!

krakow, Friday, 30 October 2009 09:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Didn't know there were UK/Euro dates! Would love to see her live. Don't think I can make any of them, sadly, but I'll have to think about it.

I have fallen in love with (mp3s of) her tour split 7" from last year with City Center and it's totally out of print, alas. Anyone know if there is a tour release this time round, so I can act more promptly?

ein fisch schwimmt im wasser · fisch im wasser durstig (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 30 October 2009 12:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

Are the new myspace tracks "Hold The Way" and "Vessel" available to download anywhere?

plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

(just noticed Vessel EP coming out in Late 2009)

plazzTT, Friday, 30 October 2009 12:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

she had this 7" when I saw her but not the city center split:

original bgm, Friday, 30 October 2009 13:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

as a 7"? I bought that from her as a 3" CD.

sleeve, Friday, 30 October 2009 21:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

yep, as a 7"

original bgm, Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

Went to see her play on Friday night. It was pleasant if unremarkable, she only played for 40 minutes too.

Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

I don't get that complaint. Forty minutes is a perfectly reasonable amount of time for a set, imo.

Trip Maker, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

if you only have 1 album and only charge a fiver then maybe

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

Wasn't really a complaint, more of an observation. It was actually a double headline show with some noise dude, tickets were 12.50. It was BYOB though so worked out cheap enough.

Number None, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

Beautiful song

flappy bird, Friday, 4 August 2017 16:25 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

just got an email from yellowelectric, there's a bunch of old inventory up on her bandcamp. i got the Alien Observer LP for $30, only 8 left!

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Good new interview

And she's playing here in SF in a couple of weeks.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:11 (two months ago) Permalink

whoa, i wonder what this is:

I recently licensed a song to a television show [you guys are going to flip].

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:16 (two months ago) Permalink

great interview btw, thanks for sharing ned

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:17 (two months ago) Permalink

What is your dream job outside of playing music?

My dream job is not performing music. Most of my job ideas are more non-paying adventures than careers. I took a career test in my twenties and remember “related to the spirituality or the occult/religious leader” and “sailor." I’ve followed through on “sailor” --- I love very much being on the water. I do sailing races on my friend’s boat every summer in Astoria and am looking into getting a small boat with an electric outboard to toot around the Columbia River.

I’d like to get a shit job on a container ship or find a sailboat to crew on and do a trans-oceanic voyage at some point before I die. I volunteer at a National Park here in Astoria. Basically, I just pick up trash and kick rocks off the trails but I get to wear a uniform and use a walkie-talkie which is about 80% of the pleasure if I’m entirely honest. I’d really like to drive in a car race or demolition derby. I’d like to be paid to walk around or hike. My month-long hiking trip in New Zealand two years ago definitely cost me money though so still some work to be done there I guess. So far, as paying jobs go -- I spent my 20’s working with differently abled adults and I miss it every day. I love care-work, with children, elders, animals, whomever. It feels challenging and rewarding in a straightforward way that music doesn’t.

nomar, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 18:03 (two months ago) Permalink

And she's playing here in SF in a couple of weeks.

I will be at early show. :)

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Same here!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:56 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm still deciding whether i'm going to the early show or the late show depending on if i want to catch JEANNE DIELMAN showing at BAMPFA that same evening

joshywinty (josh), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 23:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Go to both shows

flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:34 (two months ago) Permalink

okay, i chose the early show -- say hello if you see someone roughly 5'6 with a buzzed head

joshywinty (josh), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:27 (two months ago) Permalink

old items getting restocked is great and all but shit i got two email notifications from bandcamp on my phone today saying "New Items from Grouper" and each time I got super excited thinking a new single from a possible upcoming album was on it's way, but no :(

josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:37 (two months ago) Permalink

nothing on a new single and/or album (though she's doing a project that will be performed during this year's Unsound), but a very nice interview:

willem, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:29 (two months ago) Permalink

what i did get to hear of liz last night was lovely . . . but, dearest brooklyn scenesters, why would you go to a grouper show . . . and talk the whole way through it? ugh

― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:03 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read this post and immediately knew which show this was

fucking crowd sucks

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 06:03 (one month ago) Permalink

Same thing happened at DARK MOFO in Hobart until someone a few rows from the front turned around and bawled SHUT THE FUCK UP. I love Grouper irrationally, but I often listen to the music at overwhelming volume for the sensory overload feeling, and I was looking forward to being able to lose myself in the live performance. It was beautiful but I kept getting distracted by fuckheads more interested in themselves than the music they'd paid to see, and I couldn't help wishing for a little help from the stage. I understand what's special about a room of hushed people listening to soft music, but if I'm completely honest it feels a little wilful to play that quietly.

I'll get me coat.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:08 (one month ago) Permalink

I know, she plays very quietly. I saw her in a chapel at UVA two years ago that held 250 people, & even with a completely silent & reverential crowd, it was remarkably quiet in the back. I felt like I was straining to hear during the set.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:39 (one month ago) Permalink

when i saw her it was a perfect volume, loud & encompassing without being uncomfortable

ufo, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 07:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Thankfully the show the other day here was 1) fantastic 2) had a deathly quiet audience and we were all the happier for it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Did you recognize any of the material she played? Or was it all one lovely gauzy blur?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:12 (one month ago) Permalink

I definitely recognised things - maybe 2-3 songs - but often radically rearranged (e.g. Ruins material played as guitar ostinatos, recognised them from lyrics).

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:30 (one month ago) Permalink

also continuous, beautiful projected images behind the stage - thematically matched to what I think about her music, which is like hazy memories of beautiful songs.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:11 (one month ago) Permalink

she played "holding" from RUINS and "fishing bird" from DRAGGING A DEAD DEER

joshywinty (josh), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Fishing Bird???? whoa. that's pretty remarkable. was Holding the guitar arrangement? when I saw her 2 years ago, she opened with Alien Observer and played mostly Ruins stuff like Holding and Labyrinth (complete with microwave beep).

flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:25 (one month ago) Permalink

flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 06:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I’ve always wondered are the dark circle under her eyes makeup or she doesn’t sleep that much? In some pictures they look natural but they keep changing size and then in others she doesn’t seem to have them at all.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 30 September 2017 09:19 (one month ago) Permalink

she did say that the Sleep piece was performed/recorded after a long period of sleeplessness. but i had a friend that had a similar thing, it’s genetic.

flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:08 (one month ago) Permalink

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