Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?

how the hell is stirmonster determining "canon"? rym rankings or something?

i'd be cool with a poll where the top artists are les goths and stella, mind.

― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy),

He wants a 60s version of the 70s and 80s polls i did. He had been asking me to do it since the 70s poll ended as he really loved those polls. He said the 80s one actually brought him back to ILM and he rediscovered his love of the place through it.
But noone can decide what is and isnt allowed so i just said to him you choose you wanted the poll but i'll help out if he wants but hes in charge.
I think there may be discussion of the 60s poll on the 70s results page somewhere. Honestly 2 years on and we still couldnt decide. But it was quite clear people did not want a poll with results that looked like mojo!

check there ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

Tactical polling

I'm not particularly interested in relitigating the forks playlist issue but just for the record if that's something you want to do, maybe you should consider reading the thread first, so you can avoid making easily disproved claims like ''nobody was attacking him for (x) it was only about (y),'' and maybe even consider adjusting your comments to address often-made points like ''wait so explain to me how the third-party YouTube links in the original rolling threads were better for the artists than Spotify.''

Re: ILX as a welcoming space etc., I think there's lots of interesting things to consider. In the spirit of challenging received wisdom I think it'd be fun to parse whether the site and its customs are indeed optimized for the most robust and least toxic discussion possible. If I were desgning my dream site from the ground up I suspect it'd look 90+% like ILX. We really do have something great here and that's why I'm still around after eleven years. But maybe we shouldn't take it as assumed that it's the raddest most nclusive form of board/community and that the historcally masculine-gendered sink-or-swim agonism that folks are often eager to defend is the best way of building community and discussion.

I do know other groups and spaces for example where some of the norms here would be seen as hopelessly biased in favor of letting loud shitty people run free for a shockingly long time. Not advocatiing for any reforms in particular here but just in the spirit of recognizing how rules and customs shape a culture: how would ILX be different if, say, 15 SBs/FBs was seen as sufficient for someone to need a timeout? If one request to lock a thread for being toxic or offensive was enough to trigger a temporary lock and review? If we stated upfront on the login/registration page that that this was a space opposed to all forms of harassment and dehumanization? If we had the offcial or collective intolerance for personal flames of your average dial-up BBS from the mid-90s? My neighborhood pizza joint has a sign establishing their opposition to racism, sexism, ageism, body-shaming etc.; when I put that against something like the Barenaked Ladies album cover thread, I think it's hard to sustain the idea that whatever its pros and cons ILX is basically as inclusive and anti-toxicity as you can possibly ask for.

lol keeping in mind one of the optimo posters around glasgow used to advertise the night as OMITPOP (which wasn't really accurate but anyway)

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Tl;dr: I think ILX is pretty great but let's not kid ourselves into accepting as normal and healthy whatever level of hazing and nastiness that we've personally gotten used to, because by remaining here through it we have self-selected a population that accepts these conditions, and maybe let stand a lot of customs or practices that really would not fly elsewhere.

"you yourself Scott (and others) tried to kill threads in the past you didn't like with image floods and I'm glad that's gone out of fashion"

i did a lot of things. i have no regrets. i don't remember doing that to any normal thread that someone started. usually just did that if someone was trolling or being idiotic. and usually it was someone i didn't know/not a regular. someone would just pop up and be a jerk.

this is ancient past you are talking about....

is there still hazing here?

did we figure out whose sock Treeship was?

:)

the offcial or collective intolerance for personal flames of your average dial-up BBS from the mid-90s

lol

I don't know who Turrican is, just that he's one of my favorite posters. In fact, most of my faves have chimed in here so I take it as a sign that our community is fairly self-aware and healthy.

I'll never understand the knee-jerk aggro response to "someone is wrong on the internet!". It's not my job to correct anyone's opinion, though facts should be sorted.

I don't know who Turrican is, just that he's one of my favorite posters.

0_o

let's all user our government names so this stops being a problem

I used to think a Turrican was a bird, but have since learned it was a video game.

2 cents from a (mostly) lurker: I've noticed the board moving to more specialized/obscure artists and topics over the years, as, I guess, the canon has come to seem redundant here. It's a more niche board than it used to be. Not a bad thing, but niche usually means fewer people.

I used my real name to get work. Totally worked too.

It's niche, except when we're doing artist polls and album-specific revives of canonical acts, at which point the niche people bemoan the board's coverage of dinosaur acts. It takes all kinds I think.

btw sorry for my super long post above, was just caffeinated and going bonkers on my phone. didn't even really get to some of the things I wanted to say - like I actually think having a stickied "board jargon and oft-referenced things" post could be as useful or more than anything else I threw out there.

ilx will totally ruin you for normal world. on that facebook group people will post steely dan records and go: "Now say what you will about Steely Dan..."

like it's a bold move to champion such a reviled group. "I don't care what anyone says, Aja is tops in my book!"

and i groan and roll my eyes a lot. and this is true with not only Steely Dan but with so many things in the wider world. I'm sure everyone here is familiar with that.

And call me crazy, but I actually LIKE Abba!

Shortly after joining ilx and starting to get in touch with my pop side, I got clowned SO HARD at a party for liking Abba.

what kind of degenerates do you associate with

i don't have to routinely work my way over the "actually, steely dan is good" or the "abba is especially like...objectively good" hurdle here as much as i do in irl conversation and for that i am thankful

definitely didn't help that it was Nina, Pretty Ballerina I was singing along to.

xp yeah otm re: spoiling you but imo ILX is also guilty of over-correcting a tad wrt this. for instance, when poptimist goalposts moved to include Richard Marx and Wilson Phillips i had to bail

Hold on now.

A Christopher I refused to Cross.

Even I like that famous Richard Marx song.

I don't know who Turrican is, just that he's one of my favorite posters.

Thanks, McBoing-McBoing... likewise! :)

-Mc

I'd be completely amazed if anyone I worked with knew who Steely Dan were, let alone one of their songs.

no one, btw, has insisted ppl should participate in the genre threads. just that if you're going to brain drain them, you should at least be reading the convo & not merely plucking every audio file discussed absent context
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:48 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why do you care

― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because I signed up for a discussion board not to supply people with free bad playlists?

Because a group playlist necessarily removes everything interesting from the friction of the group discussion and turns it into a fake bland consensus

Because as lex suggested it could have a deleterious effect on discussion

Because some people have said they didn't want to post while it was in effect

Because I don't use it & don't see the functional purpose

Because in the rap thread there are often songs that serve as discussion points but aren't necessarily good (cf if we were keeping up with news we'd probably have talked about 50 cent's son dissing his dad but no one in their right mind would want that song actually saved in perpetuity for playlist purposes)

There are endless reasons it's dumb. No, it's not the only thing hurting discussion, probably not even the main thing. I'm still very comfortable being annoyed by it & im not sure why everyone thinks it's so bitter and toxic to say so, or why my concerns are being conflated with juvenile male dickhole knowledge hoarding. Seriously gtfo with that

i was listening to the famous kim carnes album the other day because i had an MFSL pressing of it and i wanted to hear Bette Davis Eyes in sparkling audiophile sound and i kept listening to it and i thought wow this is better than a lot of later rod stewart albums probably and i thought that there must be an ILX In Praise Of...Mistaken Identity and then i looked and saw that kim carnes has FOURTEEN albums and i had a vision of a future ILX thread devoted to listening to all `14 of them. then i played something else. #ILXTHINKING

OH and then i played Gino Vannelli's Powerful People album because I also had an MFSL pressing of that and the first song totally sounds like Steely Dan and I thought of ILX.

for the record, i had my steely dan hepcat epiphany in the early 90's, but i was always a fan. or at least of their radio hits.

really is the best steely dan homage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhjX6-iWIAg

Maybe it's a Glasgow thing, but I don't remember Steely Dan ever being beyond the pale particularly, even when I was a indie kid along with all the other little indie kids.

Oh man, is that entire album like that Gino Vanneli track you posted, Scptt??

maybe it was all that Texas and Blue Nile on the radio. made it seem normal.

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it's not all like that, but it's a good album.

gino-post

My neighborhood pizza joint has a sign establishing their opposition to racism, sexism, ageism, body-shaming etc.; when I put that against something like the Barenaked Ladies album cover thread, I think it's hard to sustain the idea that whatever its pros and cons ILX is basically as inclusive and anti-toxicity as you can possibly ask for.

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino)

more importantly the pizza here sucks

let's all user our government names so this stops being a problem

― nashwan

but my government name is "karl malone".

ilx will totally ruin you for normal world. on that facebook group people will post steely dan records and go: "Now say what you will about Steely Dan..."

like it's a bold move to champion such a reviled group. "I don't care what anyone says, Aja is tops in my book!"

and i groan and roll my eyes a lot. and this is true with not only Steely Dan but with so many things in the wider world. I'm sure everyone here is familiar with that.

― scott seward

it's not that steely dan are _bad_, it's that the dickhole dad crew who hate steely dan _really_ hate steely dan and will bring it up every fucking time somebody mentions them. same goes for, like, the eagles (even before that one movie), and phil collins, and frank zappa. some of those dickhole dads will go to their deaths not realizing that nobody gives a shit that they hate steely dan.

maybe it was all that Texas and Blue Nile on the radio. made it seem normal.

I'm talking before that, which might indicate why stuff like Texas, Blue Nile and (duh) Deacon Blue came out of Glasgow.

there is a nice tribute to jim croce on that gino album. his early albums have a good funky jazz pop thing going on. with his occasional naked and unashamed outbursts of chest hair histrionics.

wait, i'm confused. dickhole dads who hate steely dan in real life or here? i thought they were dad rock. and i thought most people liked them here.

Maybe a generation of dads that don't and will never like dad rock.

i know that kneejerk classic radio rock hate has been a thing since the punk 70's but i've always found it easy to avoid. i never really had to listen to people go on and on about how they hate the steve miller band much. mostly here actually. in old-ilx days. when van morrison was public enemy number one.

it's just weird how on facebook normal people will feel self-conscious about liking 70's jazz rock because its not hip enough or something when all the hip people are actually listening to stuff that is way more normal. and yes i did try to get people to listen to Poco for years.

(and really its just funny to see what people think is hated and reviled. i don't know where they get it from. they will post stuff on FB that everyone likes and be all defensive about it. and jesus Taylor Swift starts wars in normal land. they are fighting old battles on social networks. also, vinyl is back.)

Poco are reasonably popular on ILM! I like 'em!

i don't know what people here think or don't think here; all i know is that steely dan have a lot of haters for a lot of reasons. slick, cynical, too many jazz chords - old hatreds never die, not really. people just slowly conclude that steely dan isn't worth hating.

i guess i just don't know those people. but yeah i see the evidence of that like i said. on FB.

steely dan afaict are almost universally loved here perhaps especially by mediocre dickhole dad posse

speaking of Scotland, jesus christmas i couldn't believe how great the happy birthday album by altered images sounded to me last week. i think its a crying shame that people only know that song from the album and think of them as some sort of lol 80's VH1 band. post-punk classic! you guys know that already. i just hadn't heard it in decades. didn't feel like reviving a thread. carry on.

Any major dickhole dad will tell you