Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?

just re this nauseatingly spiteful, pernicious and foully mealy-mouthed "genre nerds whose literal day jobs require them to keep up and write about new music" recent meme of matt dc's

I've said this maybe once and mostly referring to two people in particular fwiw (and you're not one of them).

plz don't ever confuse the ghoulishly entitled and bizarrely resentful airbnb wanderlusts of ilm's keepin it mediocre dickhole dad posse with how actual regular people with jobs, families and responsibilities engage w/ music, cos they have absolutely nothing whatsoever in common

This is entirely true though but I think everyone deep down knows that anyway.

gosh people are so needlessly mean to bright, enquiring young Turrican

Also you only need to take one look at other message boards to realise that level of traffic and 'meanness' are not exactly inversely proportional, quite the opposite usually, so why this has deteriorated into 'ILX is too mean' yet again I don't know.

FPs should be announced IMO because this is an important signal to those around you, and to lurkers/newbies, that there are standards here and that some noxious dick comment hasn't just passed by with everybody chuckling 'ho, ho, our little scamp, hope he never changes!'

I view this as part of the work of maintaning worthwhile spaces and communities, and tbh it's something I've learned in ILM as much as in my women's studies undergrad days and the various subcultural/vulnerable communities i've been fortunate enough to be welcomed into since then. So if I call out an FP I'm trying to pay that forward. And aww, thanks niels.

great r|t|c posts

https://pbump.net/files/post/trumphat/make.php?p=Make_ILX%7CMean_Again&h=r

i love talking music on here because...jeez i don't know, it's a mess out here in the real world.
― nomar, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:10 AM (fourteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i guess this is similar something from a cliched anti-bullying Facebook artist meme but i try to never say anything that will zing anyone too harshly because i don't know what the hell is going on with them in their life at that moment.

Hi y'all.

FPs should be announced IMO because this is an important signal to those around you, and to lurkers/newbies, that there are standards here and that some noxious dick comment hasn't just passed by with everybody chuckling 'ho, ho, our little scamp, hope he never changes!'

I view this as part of the work of maintaning worthwhile spaces and communities, and tbh it's something I've learned in ILM as much as in my women's studies undergrad days and the various subcultural/vulnerable communities i've been fortunate enough to be welcomed into since then. So if I call out an FP I'm trying to pay that forward. And aww, thanks niels.

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:31 Bookmark

okay but ur not getting the 50p

curious what threads u all are reading? by my watch, there hasn't been a clusterfuck in ~2 years, hell i haven't even read a good zing in at least 18 months

― flopson

flopson i think that _is_ a good zing

Also I can see exactly how unpopular everyone actually is and pretty much the only music posts that regularly get people FP'ed are wake-up-sheeple Racoon Tanuki type grandstanding and deservedly so.

There are some pretty obvious reasons why there are fewer and fewer female posters here but I think they're largely unrelated to a few AnCo fans having their music taste laughed at.

Just googled "Miriam Backhouse" btw

ILM lives

― Wimmels

oh i could do this all day for the benefit of the three people who care :)

except at some point i'll probably slip up and start talking about focus, because i'm so deep into it i can't tell the difference between "obscure" and "ubiquitous" anymore :)

What's is a mediocre post? I don't ever remember people getting angry at posts being low quality (unless it's just bad behaviour).
A lot of the time I'm just happy to see anyone talking about whatever band I'm looking up.

What's is a mediocre post?

this one

no i mean this one

i always think its funny that the most time i spend on ilm is when threads like this pop up. it's kinda funny!

yeah, I was just thinking how not quiet ILM is today

"yeah, when I see Scott talking about running Facebook music groups and whatnot, I wonder "How is that possible?"

i can add you to that group. there are lots of ilxors there. it's not that thrilling though. and i don't really run things. just delete the occasional post that doesn't fit the rules.

I lurk more than I post, and tbh posting on the political threads are easier than the music, film, and book threads: most of us have a common purpose, often taking the form of zings and bad gifs; it takes less effort to be original, and it's more suited for posting at work. I tiptoe into genre threads because I know how specialists behave.

Generally, unless I count Wikipedia, I've learned more from ILE than any site in my lifetime. I've met some good folks too.

(i have such a love/hate thing with facebook. i'll post a lot and then regret it for weeks. and i don't even drink anymore! i just get more self-conscious about it or something and think people must be sick of me/hate me. and yet i have never really cared if people on ilx were sick of me/hated me. i don't know why. and i end up hating other people on facebook in a way that i never have here.)

i only post on the ilm threads that hew to my dorky taste, but also where there's more of a chill fun vibe & where posters that i "trust" are gathered, more often than not ... if it's ppl complaining about each others opinions or showing off i'll go elsewhere ... competitive opinion-having isn't really my bag except in jest to all caps yell about poll results :)

i do read quite a few ilm threads though i dont always post

there are good zings and bad zings

ILM wouldn't have been as great as it was without a foundation of clowning received wisdom, kneejerk rockism and disdain towards popular (often female and/or black) artists. And when I joined it was very much the kind of place that inspired you to up your posting game and your critical thought - sometimes leading by example, like when you read an amazing Tom E or Tim F (or rtc) post and sometimes yes, by getting knocked back when you proffered something ignorant or basic. These days I guess there is much less of the former (I sometimes wonder how many relatively-new posters read some of the archived stuff from the start).

And there was definitely a time when it was an incredibly toxic place. Most of those responsible have been kicked off.

Also find it quite amusing how some of the dickhole dad posse were perfectly happy calling me a waste of space in the dogs thread the other week and now piously all about keeping it positive! My goodness.

(and the same it true of that group. i loved it at first and posted all the time and then it just started to bug me. it's just people posting pictures of what they are listening to and there are good conversations but i just end up feeling sour towards people's GREATEST BESTEST FAVORITE OF ALL TIME THIS RECORD CHANGED MY LIFE posts and all the endless classic rock - like i should talk - but whatever. even the person who started the group doesn't post or moderate anymore! people here are just more my speed. even the people on here i don't really know that well sorta end up interacting like everyone else and they get the vibe for the most part. or they are just smarter. interacting with strangers on the internet though can be.....blahhhh.)

Also find it quite amusing how some of the dickhole dad posse were perfectly happy calling me a waste of space in the dogs thread the other week and now piously all about keeping it positive! My goodness.

i have no idea what any of this is about but it's pretty hilarious out of context

"actual regular people with jobs, families and responsibilities engage w/ music" - this salt of the earth bullshit is not your style, rtc

and i end up hating other people on facebook in a way that i never have here.)

― scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:00

Maybe it's the avatars.

ned really should have started a friggin' website for pete's sake. with advertising. get some $$ for all those links. you can make money with link sites, no?

sometimes leading by example, like when you read an amazing Tom E or Tim F (or rtc) post and sometimes yes, by getting knocked back when you proffered something ignorant or basic

yeah this environment has genuinely improved my writing and thinking on all fronts bc of the above

i'm trying to think of that long-ass indie-rock thread that miccio started years ago....can't think of the title. stuff like that would never happen now. buncha goofballs!

it's probably been a while since someone crafted a post in a word document or whatever. some of them were so long and no typos! maybe contenderizer. is he still around? he was like the last stand for going long.

Who and what are the dickhole dads?

I miss contenderizer

contenderizer is still around, mostly appears in the metal thread once in awhile iirc

Probably a biker gang or something

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I can't be the only one wondering what was said to make a thread about dogs quite so contentious and personal?

that took a fucking turn
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i for one will not rest until i've ruined this board for turrican

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 5:24 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Brad - here's a heads up: you won't. Besides, wouldn't it be better to focus that energy on something else, like working on being a half-decent music critic or something? It's of little surprise to see you drag me into this discussion, mind - I otherwise would have been more than happy not to contribute, as much as I've been following the discussion.

lmao the google alert works

http://www.mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/buzz/2014/03/tumblr_mv5devCpuD1rjwsnho2_500.gif

see, it's threads like this where i learn there is an epic brad -vs- turrican beef! who knew?

Re: dickhole dads

Reminds me of how I started hearing about the whitedads category (middle aged white guys putting on a down to earth act, transparently pandering to be cool with the social justice kids)

I agree with lex about it being way worse ten years ago. I was pretty much jeered at non-stop for my first two years, and I can't really blame them. I mean, I've written some not-good posts in the past week or so, but even those are prob 2000% better than stuff I was saying on the reg in 2006/7

I dont know if imago would back me up on this or not but it is a little strange to see his 'ahahaha' held up as emblematic of current board toxicity when there was practically a genre of threads dedicated to banning him back in the day

ned really should have started a friggin' website for pete's sake. with advertising. get some $$ for all those links. you can make money with link sites, no?

Next best thing: I ended up with a column:

http://www.nashvillescene.com/music/nashville-cream/article/20850325/neds-atomic-link-bin

I dont know if imago would back me up on this or not but it is a little strange to see his 'ahahaha' held up as emblematic of current board toxicity when there was practically a genre of threads dedicated to banning him back in the day

Mm.

I didn't mean the specific comment, more the general exchange.

btw there is an ilxors version of that group scott mentions. Quite a few ex ilxors from the old days are in it.

Its very relaxed and noone gets mocked for what they post. Anyone who wants to can join

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ilxorsnowplaying/

i have a kneejerk reaction to any "things used to be better" hot take about anything but i've been on ilx pretty much since the beginning and i can say with certainty that it has always been good and bad, if not always in the same ways. anyone pining for some golden past of ilx is kidding themselves, same as anyone pining for some golden past of american history or whatever.