Migos, "T-Shirt"

Let's define "hit" as charting in the the Top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100.

Or maybe Top 20?

i think it will be a minor hit

We should let deej define "hit" because his ridiculous idea of what is a "hit" might be like his definition of "dated"

Top 10 in the US Spotify Chart right now, 813,919 plays per day--probably gonna move up in the Hot 100 this week from #37 last week.

a most palpable hit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sSIE-o2V9g

deej will also probably tell you spotify means nothing because kids in chicago only listen to songs on musical.ly now or something

i will take 'hit' if we define 'hit' as charting in the top 10 of the billboard hot 100

wld probably take 'hit' under most definitions of 'hit song'

might take the under on peak hot 100 chart position at 4.5 def confident on the over at like 11.5

T-Shirt jumped from 37 to 19 on Billboard this week

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7678133/hot-100-ed-sheeran-shape-of-you-zayn-taylor-swift-surge-to

I'd call that a hit but if deej says it isn't a hit then I guess there's that.

stonewaller

My baseline suspicion/dismissal of trap is not dealing well with the amount I've enjoyed the Migos songs I've heard

it's a https://i0.wp.com/www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/richard-spencer-punch-hatebreed.jpg?fit=700%2C367

It's #7 on the US Spotify chart atm.

this will chart high due to streaming numbers, in a post-streams to charts world it is already a hit. i doubt it has any real longevity personally, shit is riding the waves from bad & boujee and a novelty video

http://lymediseaseuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg

No this was actually all said in the original migos thread

My baseline suspicion/dismissal of trap is not dealing well with the amount I've enjoyed the Migos songs I've heard

― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Monday, February 6, 2017 4:56 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feel like if u put migos in the trap bucket theyre def more fun than their contemporaries who tend more towards the moody/serious/arty axis, but if u compare them to the mumble rappers theyre kinda the standard level of fun, both those classifications are kinda whatever imo but maybe interesting in this context

damn gotta switch out your lures there Whiney, he ain't bitin

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david is right that its chart number may be artificially inflated, if it's off the chart in three weeks it wasn't actually a hit so much as the next song to come out after "bad and boujee"

i mean timmy turner was a hit in chart position but i dont think you can call it a hit in any real way

except ... chart position?

my point is that chart peak is a suspect measurement. what kind of attempted own was that?

Bad and Boujee was a hit because of streaming. And then it was a hit in other formats - because of streaming. Same thing happened with Juju and most other rap hits that no one thought were real hits.

except ... chart position?

― alpine static, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:16 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark

there's a long phenomenon of songs having short bursts of chart relevancy at the very beginning of their life cycles going back to itunes sales getting incorporated into chart data

every song from starboy placed in the hot 100 its first week but the weeknd has 2 hits off that album so far

But now that seems to be changing. The songs that reach top 10 via streaming hang around longer these days because other formats start picking them up from there. That's what happened to Black Beatles, for instance. It's a new set of rules.

i wasn't trying to "own" anyone, i just think it sounds funny to say a song's not a hit except in the way we track hits, but y'all know how that stuff works better than me

fake hit

weingars, get to, droppin, when that, drake-o, get to, poppin [fddrrrr]

sometimes differentiating between a one month and six month hit matters a lot anthropologically but less so with 't-shirt' bc it is a super rad banger duh

whichever prevailing current u may opine it is most aided by (4real zeitgeist wave, industry ersatz hypebestiality, meme magic, or ppl's personal bubbles where they care about neither) (or... all of them at once *gasp*) it is v disingenuous rhetoric to imply that it only has marginal/negligible appeal beyond that. foh with the timmy turner

Timmy Turner reached #34 on the Hot 100, which makes it a minor hit but no t-shirt.

Bad and Boujee was a hit because of streaming. And then it was a hit in other formats - because of streaming. Same thing happened with Juju and most other rap hits that no one thought were real hits.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:03 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm aware dumbass. What is wrong with you guys

i wasn't trying to "own" anyone, i just think it sounds funny to say a song's not a hit except in the way we track hits, but y'all know how that stuff works better than me

― alpine static, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:53 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"We"

Suddenly going top 40 is a "minor hit" ? You guys have to make up your mind here about whether you're going to be strict charts constructionists or not around something other than the migos hypebeast cycle

If you're talking Timmy Turner, dumbass, then yes. Since it was his follow up to a Hot 100 #1 hit and was massively hyped, I'd consider it a minor hit at 34.

T shirt has so far peaked at 37....

"...and Migos' "T-Shirt," from Culture, vaults 37-19."
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7678133/hot-100-ed-sheeran-shape-of-you-zayn-taylor-swift-surge-to

I was replying to J0rdan's "there's a long phenomenon of songs having short bursts of chart relevancy at the very beginning of their life cycles going back to itunes sales getting incorporated into chart data" - the point being that such long phenomenas are changing so that the past might not be the best way of assessing what will happen to a song like T-Shirt. Also, the weeknd is a strange point of comparison since his chart success largely derives from him catering to the old business model of letting the label take care of the marketing, writing songs for radio etc etc. He's not playing the Migos game.

no, what's changing is that songs that should have been bigger are getting more attention, but it doesn't change songs artificially launched into the top cf 'timmy turner' or 't-shirt'...per rtc tho yes t shirt is better than timmy turner

if t-shirt had come pre- bad & boujee, it would not be a hit

'say sum' is more of a hit than 't shirt' it just had the bad fortune to come before the colossus that is 'bad & boujee'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ16egvquKE

Also, the weeknd is a strange point of comparison since his chart success largely derives from him catering to the old business model of letting the label take care of the marketing, writing songs for radio etc etc. He's not playing the Migos game.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:53 AM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also you're kidding yourself if you think migos aren't 'writing songs for radio'

Well good luck with your alternative facts, deej. Every song comes out after another song. And Migos are writing the same type of songs that they always did about the same subject matter. That they do it better than on their last album and have developed their pop sensibilities quite a bit does not make Culture comparable to Starboy, sorry. Radio plays Bad & Boujee because it is already a hit but B&B was not written for radio and radio didn't make it a hit in the first place.

What's "artificial" about the streaming charts though? Those are the songs listeners actively seek out, unless you want to make an argument about playlists like Rap Caviar "skewing" the stats.
As mentioned above, today T-Shirt is at number 7 on the US spotify chart: https://spotifycharts.com/regional/us/daily/latest How does that not reflect its actual popularity?

They should have put cocoon on the album though.

agree its obv not another breakthru full spectrum cultural moment like 'b&b' but no one was rly claiming that either

"songs artificially launched into the top" there is a fine diff between zeitgeist and hypebeast and u know this... both distortive but only one is artificial

i might add by the by that it actually sounds awesome on the radio but i suppose the relevance of that depends on what radio is being discussed

wait why does streaming numbers not count into what is a hit?

isn't that the dominant form of music listening now?

that should show son

Migos mixtape for after you get hardsonned

migos can get back to me when they've got their own video game series

http://www.mobygames.com/images/promo/original/1480535474-1343739158.jpg

g-unit films is not really an album artist

i watched the movie Get Rich or Die Tryin' the other day I forgot somehow they got Jim Sheridan to direct that!

sorry, rescreened it

i don't think deej is wrong for questioning the attention that ppl put into the migos who are competent and formulaic and such could easily leave one cold -- the problem is that they're objectively popular and so the answer is a tautology

not sure if you guys have discussed this or not but iirc they are bigger than the beatles

i have heard many times on twitter that they are bigger and also better than the beatles to i assume its prob true

jordan otm -- popular artist is given attention because they're popular

The thing about Culture is that it's 'formulaic' only insofar as it dugs into the very essence of it's genre and stays there. It's such a pure sonic distillation of what they do, triplets, quarter notes, slow beats, ad libs, without anything to disturb the magic. No personal pain as with Future, no outsized personality like Young Thug, not really any melodies, no distracting narratives, everything is just moment to moment clashes of sounds, differing intensities. Vince Staples claimed he was inspired by club music on Big Fish Theory, but to my mind it was Culture that made rap sound like dance music, all about movement. I freaking love that album. I think I've said it before, but to me it's forerunners are albums like Funcrusher Plus.

i love migos idc they have a strong sound, i dont know if competent and formulaic is any sort of current consensus on them but its kinda interesting contrasted to the opinion on them when they first came out which was technically deficient novelty act, smh cant get no respect

any more thoughts on Culture II? Still don't feel like I've scratched the surface properly. It sounds at once poppier but also less immediate to its predecessor. I like 'Made Men' quite a lot but a lot of the songs kind of drag a bit?

About half of the tracks are at least good to very good, but it all still feels like just a bunch of songs. There's no thought to it. Just another day on the job. Two weeks later they probably could have released an equally long and equally good album. Which tells you something about how nice they are even when they're on autopilot, I guess. But it's mostly frustrating.

haven't revisited it in full, but i do return to some of the highlights. mostly "too much jewelry," "too playa," and "narcos."

i havent really listened to it cause when it came out i had an amazon echo in my kitchen and i cld not no matter what i tried get alexa to play it

some albums have "t-shirt" some don't

otm

It's the 2K10's analog to Wu-Tang Forever, right?
For lots of reasons.

what is

Culture II

what are the reasons

both doing/did well, but without the sense that they'll continue moving things forward commercially
long and sprawling albums, when compared to their breakthroughs
5 and a half minute less immediate than normal opening singles

a few parallels for sure?
Forever is certainly more highly regarded, but, that album took a minute to find its fans.

ok sure

forever is such a flawed masterpiece, like every song has a bad verse

should we start a new poll “culture ii” vs. “wu tang forever” jk culture 2 would win

otm

heh

What ARE records like Forever and Culture II? Not really New Jersey's, but... close.

Supastars is actually pretty great, btw. It’s no t-shirt but it has grown on me.

And the verses on WTF were good iirc? The problem was that they didn’t quite come together as songs, and that there weren’t many real hits.

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Culture II and Wu Tang Forever aren't New Jerseys they are Use Your Illusions, a thing I just made up

Sounds about right. Sr3mm is somehow NOT a UYI though.

Man wu tang forever is way better than this... culture ii is if wu tang forever was recorded by Das efx... migos are not young millennial wu tang I’m offended

I do agree they’re both UYA’s though

"young millennial wu tang"

finally found my rapper name thanks

migos needs more guys if they want to be wu-tang the wu had like 25 guys ghostface killer, ugly sword, the gnarly monk and so forth

and several of those guys released classic solo albums before 'wu tang forever' dropped

who can forget gnarley monk's 'surf ninjas' lp

Yeah I mean I don't think they are on Wu's level

https://i.imgur.com/2CUoH6U.png

i wonder how that's aged

Culture II and Wu Tang Forever aren't New Jerseys they are Use Your Illusions, a thing I just made up

whoa

Wasn't comparing the quality of their work!

Comparing the cultural spot they find themselves in both heading into and out of the follow-up to their breakthrough.

The new Takeoff tape is the best Migos-fronted release of the year

low bar lol

well yeah, but it is good

Have we talked ab out Culture III at all yet?

Wearing my “t-shirt” today

quavo and takeoff announced a new rap duo and offset unfollowed them both on instagram 🙀 is it possible that they are amigos no longer??

yeah

gonna be an awkward family reunion