anyway, I don't think it's that bad, atm ilm new answers features threads on Julien Baker, Thundercat, Tinashe, Mitski, Grouper, Kehlani, Julia Holter, Stormzy... all the same it may be true that younger posters could add energy, new thoughts, perspective etc etc - quite a few discussions on ilm seem over, would be nice with somebody to take issue with consensus
as to how, well 1st off yeah, makes a lot of sense to just start plugging ilm on reddit/twitter/FB whatever, is there some kind of unofficial link ban? vaguely recall a thread abt smth like whether or not some ilxor needed a perm ban for quoting ilx on a popular blog
2ndly: I'm p sure there's a FAQ somewhere, but we could consider a sticky topic near the top of SNA that explains how the site works, what bookmarks are, what otm means etc. etc.
― niels, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:10 (seven years ago) link
i stumbled across a bimble blog post the other day, raving about how great something was : /
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
ilm's taste in music is more or less aligned with acts that already get attention through more accessible mediums/media making ilm obsolete
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
would be nice with somebody to take issue with consensus
seriously, would this be nice? "that music you think is good, i think it's shit, but that shit music you hate is really good". the less of that stupidness the better imo.
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
the ideas of "the consensus", "the hive-mind", "why does nobody wants to dig my favourite band?" - these things are just daft, they have no place on an interesting forum, this is the kind of stuff you can wallow in everywhere
write interestingly about stuff that interests you or don't bother
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
I can only imagine that to a young music nerd who found this site there would be a bizarro world feeling when they encountered widely held ILM opinions that barely seem to exist outside of here--like that Kanye's MBDMST3K is a pile of shit or that the 1975 made one of the best albums of 2016. I know I felt it when I first stumbled on this place and people were talking about how much Radio Disney and Ashley Simpson rocked.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
are there really any similar boards to this place? some of the SA forums approach this quality and metafilter seems pretty decent from what i've seen but ILX seems to be a unique place
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
does anyone ever put a link to an ilx thread on facebook or twitter? i never do. that might be another reason new people don't show up. how would anyone find it? every once in a while i will mention ilx somewhere on facebook and someone i don't know will say "ewww, that place is the worst". and that will be that.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
Kanye's MBDMST3K
Now there's a crossover.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
I've occasionally linked threads in the past on FB and Twitter. But since I've abandoned most posting on those two places...
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
I joined I think in 2009 and after each of my first posts I was eviscerated for breaking thread etiquette I couldn't have possibly known about. (This may be part of why nobody starts new threads anymore, the second post is always some variation of "did we need a thread about this?")
heh i got that in 2001 from people even though what I was asking had nothing to do with whatever was discussed on the thread. Plus when I did revive a thread then my point was ignored and a few people discussed the OP.in 2017 nothings changed!
as for lex's " old peoples polls" there was not a lot of interest in a companion 2000-15 lifetime of ILM poll to the lifetime of ilm metal poll I ran (and enjoyed as big polls DO bring most of the board together with lots of great comments and insights). So I postponed it
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link
Used to do it for metal poll and ilm eoy poll but its not like I have many followers. I think people prefer facebook groups
― Odysseus, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
ilm is much easier to look at work than FB
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
but young people don't have jobs
or that the 1975 made one of the best albums of 2016.
from my pov not liking the 1975 is now the bizarro-world opinion
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
(very belatedly: I didn't see the slur in the post I quoted, if I had I probably would not have quoted the whole thing)
i was talking with a irl music friend about message boards and told him i had been posting to ilx/m for over 10 years and he was like huh, i look up stuff on there all the time (he does a lot of fact-checking)
he was surprised i had been around so long and remained so relatively quiet elsewhere on social media but there's something so wonderful and plain about talking about music on ilm because i am just a name and words on a screen. it relieves a lot of the things that make conversations about music fraught (can't think of another or more appropriate word) elsewhere. i think ilm needs more women but that time has probably come and gone? idk.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link
In...Christ, something like 13 or 14 years here, I've only personally had serious issues with like two posters, and one of them has turned out to be a cool dude in recent years. I have very little tolerance for assholes so I'm pretty okay with the asshole levels of this particular online haunt.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
seems like most of us have gotten older and have other interests/responsibilities besides listening to a bunch of music and talking about it
― k3vin k., Monday, 6 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
guessing that dwindling numbers of young posters is less of a problem than dwindling numbers of female posters
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
agreed
― sleeve, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:45 (seven years ago) link
Yes, 100% agreed on that, for sure.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
Speaking as a white dude, we could use a lot more non-white dude voices here.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
great discussions going on herehttp://community.aarp.org/t5/Rock-N-Roll/bd-p/bg17
― hunangarage, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, February 6, 2017 2:20 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Totally! It seems like you better be the most forward thinking, refreshingly innovative genre transcending and/or avant artist (preferably not overly hyped either), that is unless you do mainstream pop well. If you aren't mainstream pop, you better be thinking outside the box in a sophisticated way to get ILX approval.
― Evan, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
I know I felt it when I first stumbled on this place and people were talking about how much Radio Disney and Ashley Simpson rocked.
https://s30.postimg.org/tbgg0ys6p/Hanson_exploitable_fixed.png
― sleepingbag, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Is that why the top 3 albums in our poll were art-soul, conscious hip-hop and art-rock xp
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
Oh, goddamn, you're taking me back with the Radio Disney. I listened to that nonstop back in '07 or so. It really was pretty much the best pop music outlet at the time.
― Transformed From The Norm By The Nuclear Goop (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:56 (seven years ago) link
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, February 6, 2017 2:56 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"seems like" or "has seemed like" if you will
― Evan, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
I massively enjoy all the music and other cultural things I'm exposed to through ILX, but I don't post that often because on the whole my voice here feels like this weird half-facsimile of itself and it just makes me feel so crushed. I feel like I'm offering around platters of meat in a room full of tenured professors, trying to convince them my new play is worthwhile, even though I don't believe it myself. And that's a difficult starting point. There's just so much information and I feel sick when I don't see all of it, which everyone else seems to be able to do effortlessly. You all are just too smart.
― tangenttangent, Monday, 6 February 2017 19:59 (seven years ago) link
lol conscious hip hop
who gave them cpr
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
xp and then you realise the professors have just been making poop jokes for the last hour
― wins, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:06 (seven years ago) link
Bowie was the conscious hip hop iirc
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
psst... ilx is bad because nearly all the good posters have left
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
the sheer force of habit/inertia/muscle memory/addiction is main thing keeping it together atp
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link
another factor might be the movement of a lot of posters to professional writing jobs and the resulting exhaustion at the prospect of writing anything substantive, especially for free
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
who are these mythical departed good posters
name names
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
I suspect that the % of people on this site who make a living off writing is considerably lower than it was 16 years ago
― iatee, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
i'm an admin on a FB music group and there are around 12,000 members world-wide and it is mostly the same american white dudes who post day in and day out.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
JBR and roxy (not sure about roxy, i just haven't seen a new post from her in awhile)
― nomar, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:14 (seven years ago) link
xpost ilm would be way weird if our faces next to our posts
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:15 (seven years ago) link
max was the last one to have cut and run (in understandable circumstances) i don't wanna name names but most of the posters I used to look forward to reading daily have now slowed output to a trickle
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
there's a v obvious answer being as how we lost our best poster by far in the last year
― Mordy, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
but i came back
― na (NA), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
do we have any Matts left?
― frogbs, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
we have the best matt
― nomar, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:18 (seven years ago) link
i can say honestly that i am not here to read anyone in particular -- i am here to talk/learn about xyz thing. the people individually and the idiosyncrasies of their opinions are not of interest to me really.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
I'm mostly just hanging around waiting for Scott to post another Sweet Smoke for Hotheads mix.
― Fake posts from a failing poster (Dan Peterson), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
I should just make you a tape. I made a good tape the other day.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
xp - not to say that i haven't made friends! but i am not here for anyones hot or room temp take on ______
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link