xp to DAM: That does not follow logically. The Low End Theory, Midnight Marauders, and arguably People's… are counted among the best albums of all time across all genres. There is a gigantic amount of wiggle room between "one of the best albums ever recorded" and "one of the best albums of this specific year", particularly for a group that is consistently better than everyone around them for the vast majority of their career.
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2017 00:09 (seven years ago) link
fwiw i've not been able to get 'the story' out of my head for the last few days
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 13:44 (seven years ago) link
the equivalent tribe song has been 'enough', curiously
― I Am In Atlanta And Thug Is Young (imago), Monday, 6 February 2017 13:45 (seven years ago) link
The best record of the year doesn't have the be that artists best record
Chorley won the Northern Premier League in 2014 but many people around the town say they couldn't hold a candle to the heroes of 1988. Still won the league though!
― saer, Monday, 6 February 2017 14:35 (seven years ago) link
Well, I mean if DJP can make the math work and thinks that Tribe had reached a level where the only albums that could be used to measure are their past triumphs (or, like, TPAB) then cool
I still think saer just threw a bunch of shade on 'the league' (though maybe not a megaton)
― gaznevada coombes (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:37 (seven years ago) link
I am not following your train of thought in that last post.
My entire point is that it is unreasonable to say that a new album by a legacy band shouldn't win a poll because they've released better albums in the past. You aren't comparing the current album to their back catalog; you're comparing it to the other albums that came out during its release year. The Tribe album is, to my ears, clearly superior to everything else I listened to, including the De La Soul album I specifically joined Kickstarter for. The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders are among the greatest albums ever recorded; it doesn't make sense to me to say "well this new one is good but it's not better than stuff they did 20 years ago so I hope it doesn't win". It doesn't have to be better than stuff 20 years ago that ATCQ did; it has to be better than stuff people are doing now is. For me, it was. It's really not complicated.
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:55 (seven years ago) link
Hey imagine if this ends up being KING's fifth best album.
― nashwan, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
if they keep up the rate at which they made this album, we'll find out in 25 years
― ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
TLET and MM are amazing, amazing albums. i kinda think 'we got it from here...' is possibly on par with them. idk i think the "legacy" acts of 2016 actually did some incredible work. not just ATCQ but bowie, cohen, underworld, moodymann if his DJ Kicks mix counts (considering its tenor and the year i think it counts as a strong artistic statement)...there probably some other artists i'm not thinking of right now.
― nomar, Monday, 6 February 2017 22:57 (seven years ago) link
Old fellas like William Bell and Aaron Neville also released great albums last year, but not "I'll just slide this in right next to their classics" albums.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link
The Tribe album is just kind of solid and competent (and sure contemporary, mostly bc it sounds like the people they've influenced) and not really exciting in any other way than "Tribe is back". People are wildly overrating it.
― Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:46 (seven years ago) link
Many people released better and more exciting albums last year.
― Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:47 (seven years ago) link
Bowie released far more albums than Tribe, so it's more difficult, unless Stereogum were to pay me, to rank it among his classics.
Whether Blackstar and We Got It From Here are good albums is a matter of opinion. I think they are.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:54 (seven years ago) link
Most of the time, I'm just "let people like what they want to" unless an artist (or their fanbase) really makes my skin crawl, at which point I derive great pleasure in telling people they're wrong. This doesn't seem to be the case with Rev and the Tribe album. Why shit on people for loving a record you admit is good?
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:09 (seven years ago) link
That's fine that you think so. I disagree.
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:21 (seven years ago) link
This didn't really occur to me when voting for Tribe but getting to the stage where a big bunch of people think a band's album released 25+ years since their debut is one of their best is another positive way to look at it. Rappers in their 40s being critically acclaimed like their equivalents in other genres commonly are is important right? Damn though I can't believe Killer Mike is only 5 years younger than Tip (who's also 1 year younger than the RZA and Jay)...
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link
Thanks to you guys I'm now going to check out Weyes Blood in SF for Noise Pop in a couple weeks.
― octobeard, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link
What I'm saying:
Per DJP,
Low End Theory/Midnight Marauders >> We Got It From Here >> all other music in 2016
Now either:
Low End Theory/Midnight Marauders >>>> all other music in 91/93
or
All other muisc in 91/93 >> all other music in 2016 (guesstimating how many pointers go here)
This is what I'm getting at. From the high praise he's giving LET/MM, I'm guessing he's arguing the former (tho I wouldn't actually even disagree with the katter personally now that I think about it)...regardless, I'm ready to be done with bedeviling him about his music tastes. My bad, completely!
― gaznevada coombes (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:45 (seven years ago) link
all you pedants you must go
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:47 (seven years ago) link
Music and cultural "taste" is backed up with correct arguments and facts, not "digging".
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― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 02:51 (seven years ago) link
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, February 6, 2017 4:09 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Eh, I think it my be my distrust of nostalgia doubling down on things I myself have nostalgia, which for ATCQ is v much the case. But also I chafe at the idea that a legacy act's contemporary update is praised above the younger and fresher artists pushing at the boundaries of rap, when really ATCQ are barely playing catch up. They released work before that revolutionized the genre, but does anyone think We Got It From Here... is going to do that? That's the standard I'm holding them up to because I know what they've done before. Idk, I feel like in some ways it's my own esteem for them that prevents me from accepting this album as worthy of its laurels.
― Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:45 (seven years ago) link
if you're comparing two things, comparing one of them against a set of different things is a different type of comparison
like if Kojak was on tv now, it might be better than all the crime tv shows, but not better than all shows, because we have genres that didn't exist then, right
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:12 (seven years ago) link
Don't be so condescending. I'm saying it doesn't stack up against old Tribe albums or what other people are doing currently. It's completely possible to fail on both those measures.
― Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:47 (seven years ago) link
i know it sting but maybe take yr mind off it by reasoning how one could think of chance as updated tribe
― r|t|c, Sunday, February 5, 2017 6:49 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its true tho, i dont expect we got it from here voters to understand
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 05:39 (seven years ago) link
I just want to thank everyone who voted for Hannah Peel. This is a great, beautiful album.
― ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:09 (seven years ago) link
Same here, surprised it doesn't seem to have got much attention elsewhere.
― devvvine, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:34 (seven years ago) link
idk Do people really love the old Tribe albums because they "revolutionized the genre"? There was a hip hop album coming out every week or so in the early 90s that did that. I love them because they were dope as hell and re-listenable to the point that you didn't have to spend money on any other music for a month or so after they came out. But I guess if 17 year olds aren't citing WGITFH as inspiration in two years then it must have been a failure.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link
hehe, there is no questioning the logic of the Drugs A Money post - I like it
didn't like the new tribe too much, but looking at that all time top 10 ilx album poll albums list I found only one or two albums I really like, so I'm p sure I'm the one at fault here ;_;
― niels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
that logic assumes that the transitive property applies to the space of music preference
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link
I have a lot of misgivings about that last post tbh and I'm not really thrilled with my train of thought throughout this discussion, so I hope the other participants p much forgive me and permit a quick exit
― gaznevada coombes (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
I find Timmy Turner to be more interesting than any Migos song I've heard, btw
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link
mmm, that's the wrong thread, isn't it. sorry.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
lol same here tho
― nashwan, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
Fear of Men album is a huge omission - seems like it would be an ILM favorite if it had more exposure
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
heres my ballot:
a tribe called quest - we got it from here...thank you for your servicedavid bowie - blackstarradiohead - a moon shaped pooldexy's - let the record show: dexys do irish and country soulleon vynehall - rojusdorisburg - irrblossglenn branca - Symphony No. 13 (Hallucination City) for 100 Guitarswilliam tyler - modern countrygoat - requiemcass mccombs - mangy lovesteve gunn - eyes on the linesDIIV - is the is arewaveless - spirit island e.p.happyness - tunnel vision on your part e.p.dwight yoakam - guitar cadillacs etc etcking - we are kinglambchop - flotusfactory floor - 25 25fat white family - songs of our mothersbrian eno - the big shipbombino - azelv/a - the sound of durban vol. 1kanye west - the life of pabloafricans with mainframes - kmtJuan Atkins & Moritz von Oswald present Borderland - Transport
I would add Junior Boys and Omar-S if I was compiling the list now
― pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:13 (seven years ago) link
Juan Atkins & Moritz von Oswald present Borderland - Transport
Didn't know this existed!....treehouse from a couple of years ago was great, I'll have a look out for this one
― saer, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
it's a good record you would like it saer
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
I was kind of under-thrilled by the s/t "Borderland" and need to check it out
full disclosure: I own nearly every recent MvO collaboration on vinyl
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
I only really play Treehouse off it, I don't really remember the rest myself!
― saer, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
I was incorrect, this was the one I was unthrilled by but I'm giving it another go
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
that logic assumes that the transitive property applies to the space of music preferenceeven more logic!
wasn't suggesting the argument was "true" tho, just that there was something kinda funny, absurd about the pedantic rationality of it all - it struck a chord with me
― niels, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link
btw if you have the opportunity to see moritz von oswald do a dj set, it's fun
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
this recent tribe album is their best one. duh. xp
― Treeship, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 06:17 (seven years ago) link