Are you cool with forks making Spotify playlists out of every rolling thread without permission?

The amount of discussion on ILM - even the amount of just posting comment-free links! - has completely fallen off a cliff over the past year (ignoring those ghastly Rate Your Music nostalgia-wank polls). Rolling threads are virtually the only thing keeping it half alive given that most single-song threads die after 2 answers anyway.

the actual ironic thing about these bloody Spotify data dumps is that no one's particularly invested in keeping any rolling thread an exhaustive document of what's going on in that genre anyway, so tons of music will never make it onto your precious playlists. gosh you might have to go looking for it yourself and engaging with the genre outside ILM!

gosh!

pretty sure smartphones and youtube links have wayyyyy more to do w any putative changes in music discussion here than forks's playlists, but of course those and othrr factors have been discussed with great thought and participation on other threads not created to flame a specific poster...

if you don't like the playlists don't listen to them? i can assure you that they are not why i avoid rolling threads, a practice i had established long before forks started doing this. I guess that makes me a leech. hot tip tho, y'all should stop doing EOY polls I'd you want to keep sideline-sitters like myself from cream-skimming the best stuff to come out of the rolling threads...

There have always been people who have used ILM primarily as a recommendation engine, and it's kind of interesting/unsurprising that the people who take the dimmest view of that are also the ones whose jobs/lives allow them to basically sit there listening to music all day if they want to. Most people don't have that luxury.

I'm not sure who these posters are who apparently only ever engage with genres through ILM playlists through. Like I'm curious as to who you actually think that is?

forks, don't change the game for these hoes

The over-excitable thread about an individual song or album is almost a thing of the past, and that's what enabled a song like, say, Desloc Piccalo's 'Drums' to be heard more widely.

― Matt DC, Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:07 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a year ago people were freaking out about the existence of an excitable thread about kaitlyn aurelia smith

(I don't give a single shit about someone making a playlist about my ORIGINAL DISCUSSION DO NOT STEAL and find it ridiculous that anyone else does, but the reason I post to rolling threads is that almost every time I have opened a thread for an artist or album I love, I'm lucky if one person responds. Single-artist/song threads only work if there's a pre-existing fanbase, which should be obvious.)

i think rolling threads have a place but it feels like there are more of them every year & people are getting sorted into smaller and smaller buckets. i understand why e.g. the metal and bobbins ones need to exist but some of the more specific ones less so

i've found in recent years that the 'Favorite Tracks + Albums 20XX' thread is the most valuable rolling thread to me since it covers the whole spectrum

I'm not sure who these posters are who apparently only ever engage with genres through ILM playlists through. Like I'm curious as to who you actually think that is?

― Matt DC, Saturday, 4 February 2017 15:15 (two hours ago) Permalink

*looks at poll results*

I don't see how you can compare someone posting an audio link in a thread with someone skimming all the audio links from a thread but that's just me... rolling rap thread has been full of youtubes and audio links from day one

what year is this

1933

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYcK2fwa9dA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aeETEoNfOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38xNqZvBJI

YouTube links tend to expire quickly though, that's the whole problem. Theoretically making it easier to hear all the stuff in those threads should actually increase participation so I think there's something else going on here that's distinct from whether or not anyone's making playlists.

I think more generally the group of posters who are really interested in hearing and discussing new music (vs posting lists or making New Jersey facsimiles or 'albums where the first song is the worst' type threads) has been shrinking for some time. And that affects both the rolling threads and the kind of threads that Katherine mentions.

And that pool of posters is spread more and more thinly as tastes diversify. For better or worse there's a much wider range of music covered here in a lot less depth.

Like these was a time where people would post a new thread every time a mix CD came out from a popular DJ and it would get earnestly discussed (or facetiously discussed). Now there's a rolling mixes thread which is mostly a set of links with "nice mix here" written next to it.

I do think the increasing age of the average poster is a big factor, as is the fact that people are less likely to be posting from their computers (and are therefore going to be posting much shorter messages). Short of actively promoting the board to a load of younger people I don't know what the answer is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKg6FDrGW5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcd1CwPPHIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6RKp9x_bio

^^^ nice mix here

more like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2W1Wi2U9sQ

i support this threadjacking 100%!

specifically 3'04" if ure asking

all included in the threads playlist tho just in case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mbxe33BYW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKU78O7T_fw

seriously though, again, there are whole threads devoted to the meta discussion of theories about whether, how, and why ILM posting style/discourse has changed over time. it's an interesting topic, i have things i'd add, but i think it'd be nice to use one of those rather than one that was started as an ad hominem against one poster. possible starting points:

Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?
Longtime ILXors - how has this board changed over time?

I for one cannot imagine why younger people would not want to post here

not enough Brony love

lol katherine

where do young people discuss music these days?

on the toilet

Twitter

snapchats of moleskines

and drone filmed facebook live post

and rustic batard

I kind of like that the youtubes disappear, that a record wafts in on the breeze and after a while off it goes again. There are too many records, most of them are bad, and the few good ones lead to serene feelings not speaking. a doff of the cap is its sentence on the page

https://open.spotify.com/user/seaworthyset/playlist/5vo6FnevX854ltBDOsiWqY

so basically, the problem is simultaneously that Spotify playlists will forever draw people away from the thread, but also that YouTube links are impermanent

personally, I

1) get overwhelmed by bombardments of Youtube clips

2) don't use / like Spotify

and

3) prefer the more in-depth discussions found on dedicated album / artist / label threads

ghastly Rate Your Music nostalgia-wank polls

he he

another thread where the decline of the entire internet is discussed can be found here The Golden age of Internet comes to a close?

Pssh, 284 posts and no mention of forks's playlists. FAKE NEWS.

i just want to say for the record that tho i'm sympathetic to people who want forks to knock it off with the playlists it's ultimately not something that bothers me personally at all

but i do think it's lame and annoying that forks bumps rolling threads to note only that the playlist has been updated. it does begin to feel like somebody programmed a computer to eat the threads.

if forks has a different way to alert playlist subscribers that the playlist is updated then i think it's fine, and my apologies if this has already been addressed in this thread i didn't read

The reason why he tells you about it is probably that he's not a robot but an actual human bring putting in unpaid work for the benefit of the community so it would be nice if said community notices it, you know. A bumped thread hurts no one.

Spotify playlists on ILM: don't ask, don't tell.

^gets it

plug-in or applet or whatever the fuck that could pull all the music on a page by name seems like something that would catch on big if it was done right. This could be the next hipster puppies ILX success story. Call it "forks" and buy me dinner and I'll give you permission.
― ulysses, Thursday, 4 February 2016 21:52

I have a friend who's supposedly working on such an app at the moment by the way.
― posted with permission by (dog latin), Friday, February 5, 2016 9:01 AM

how did this work out dl?