2020 Democratic presidential primary

gavin newsom has skeletons in his closet

i think at this point he is a bit too much of a stereotypical big city liberal w/ loose morals to really make a palatable national candidate

maybe when he is older

Newsom and Harris both strike me as too in-the-bed with finance/Clinton neoliberalism to get people excited to turn out in vote. (Alternately, the Dems might be able to nominate Roger Clinton and Billy Carter in 2020 and win.)

wait he's a pirate? xp

(not to even mention Bloomberg)

actually the shit i am referring to happened when i was living in the bay area which was about 10 years ago now, i.e. ancient history, maybe it doesn't matter

newsom is kind of a dumbass too and the gop would like to highlight his tenure as mayor of sodom aka san francisco when this happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGBgb0XKVs

he's also dated a 19 year old

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2581600

FISH CANNOT CARRY GUNS

and also Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

There's a gravitas about him that just telegraphs potential

honestly thought this sentence was gonna end 'serial killer'

Brittanie Mountz sounds like a porn name

i dated a 19 year old

admittedly its not in the top ten reasons im not gunning for the top political jobs but still

maybe not for 2020 but i wonder of mahty wahlsh has national ambitions, esp seeing the way he's come out against trump's immigration ban. he might be all right, he has union support and working class youth, people are weirdly enamored w/ boston accents

working class youth roots

republicans claim the moral high ground by hiring teenagers for sex, not dating them

the free market at work

almost put him on the list actually xp

he's also dated a 19 year old

nice

almost put him on the list actually xp

dmac???

all growed up

Brittanie Rae Mountz, LMFT offers individual and couples counseling. Offices in San Francisco and Berkeley.

he might be all right, he has union support

Unions will be systematically starved of members and money between now and 2018 at least

yea i meant more that he can signal working class empathy & support better than someone like HRC

Marty Walsh is interesting – but untested. If, however, we can dig up Menino and insert some kind of robotic endoskeleton. Or what about Somerville, Massachusetts' own Joseph Curtatone?

yeah the dating a 19 year old thing is what i was getting at

really it was nothing sheesh

Marty Walsh sucks super hard, though

I mean, he's decent at his job but one of the first pieces of opposition research on him that is going to surface is how super NIMBY he got about a homeless shelter

this is trump's america, anything short of advocating setting the homeless on fire is now officially a hard-left opinion

.......
particularly if its set out as an alternative to oil.....?

Alison Lundergan Grimes

This one is a bit out there. I guess she would be the Democratic darling if she beat McConnell, but it really wasn't that close.

She had a DNC speaking slot and a good name, was trying to do at least a couple deeper pulls.

thats very noirish, would prob read

my preference would be for Al Franken, tbh

I don't have too many policy disagreements with Newsom but he is a total shitbag

if the current disposition towards establishment dems keeps up or worsens over time (as they so richly deserve) the vast majority of these people would all get murdered in a general election I would think

but of course it remains to be seen if current outrage levels can be maintained for even a couple months, let alone 3-4 years

Idiot Thread Repositoryyyyyyyyy

Welp.

So this happened #Bernie2020 pic.twitter.com/m5sA6ywuyB

— 🍪Lumpy's Coveted Cookies🍪 (@lumpylouise) December 15, 2017

I remember when Ron Paul ran in 2012 he was mainly an afterthought championed on by people who wouldn't let 2008 go.

Hope the precedent holds.

I must have missed that time when Ron Paul was the best-liked politician in the country (including a supermajority of Dems)

(I don't think his running is a good idea, I just think it's a weird comparison.)

Nonagenarian Dem prez candidate or gtfo.

it's a stupid comparison

the only reason not to dismiss Sanders, however, would be everyone else

I must have missed that time when Ron Paul was the best-liked politician in the country (including a supermajority of Dems)

― Simon H., 15. december 2017 16:15 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, because this worked so well for the Dems last year.

Sorry, nevermind that. Let this be a thread where we mostly just joke about the stupidity of the early part of the process. I like that Gillbrand isn't even on the list, and now with #MeToo she's considered the frontrunner in certain areas. So much speculation :)

One more time, Fred:

I don't think his running is a good idea, I just think it's a weird comparison.

xp

is Gillebrand the one who has essentially voted against Trump every single time?

And yes Gillibrand seems to be the least offensive to the widest swath of the left and center-left...for now

My comparison was based on him being a movement candidate in 2008 and a relic in 2012. Would like to see this play out in 2020 for Sanders, should he be dumb enough to get in the race again.

I suspect that if anything Bernie is more popular now than when he was running, so I don't expect quite the same trajectory there. But obviously it's a long way out.

Not really that long. Midterms in under a year and I’m sure there’s going to be meaningful trial balloons before then. Heck, summer’s Medicare for All sign-ons were pretty suggestive of primary-oriented thinking on the part of Booker, Harris, etc.

I’m concerned way too many people decide to run but maybe that’s better than a sparse field. I fear Tulsi Gabbard and Booker the most for different reasons.

Bernie’s big foreign policy address he gave a couple months back was a pretty good presidential gesture that others should be doing if they are serious and he should have done in 16. Gillibrand’s political instincts have been the best so far and maybe just a complete break from 2016 baggage is the best step forward but honestly who knows if we have an election at this point.

Gillibrand’s 'centrist' past still a big red flag to me; who knows when she'll flip again

and he's the only cute candidate

I would accept Dolomite/Castro

otm

have to assume Booker will be out soon if he misses more debates

read that as Dolomite/Casino and was like, if the people demand it, okay

pretty much the only candidate who felt like he was coming with a bunch of fresh ideas and perspectives

Sanders too old hat for you?

:eyes peering emoji:

My deepest gratitude to you, @JulianCastro, for your tireless efforts to elevate all voices, shed light on the struggles everyday Americans face, and fight for a humane immigration system. I look forward to your continued leadership in the fight to transform our country. https://t.co/tF8zzyH70s

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) January 2, 2020

Don't know how Sanders could resist picking a running mate named Castro

i think Biden vs Trump karate would approximate the Dolemite fight scenes

I had dinner with 3 white, west coastm boomer age, gay men last night. They were very into Pete B and Biden and hated Bernie and Warren. I was surprised.

if they each make more than 60 grand a year, i am VERY unsurprised

They are mostly retired. But it was a host of contradictions, like us talking about billionaires being sociopathic hoarders but then someone defending Bezos. And being deserving/entitled to Medicare but not believing in universal healthcare for others.

Don't know how Sanders could resist picking a running mate named Castro

― symsymsym, Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:13 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

worth it for the trolling alone

i was very bummed to learn that my otherwise super-cool east coast in-law family is also rooting for biden, pete, and bloomberg (they used to work for bloomberg when he was mayor, so at least i can sort of understand that one i guess). what's esp frustrating about their stance is that they say they really want medicare for all, student loan forgiveness, etc etc, but think the most important thing is electability and making sure democrats nominate someone who can beat trump

SIGH

I was bummed that one said if Bernie or Warren was on the ticket he would not vote. But all 5 of us don't have children so we then got a lot nihilistic over our 4th bottle of wine.

not voting for the Democrat is a good way to make it obvious that you don't actually think beating Trump is the most important thing

Class interests tend to supersede pretty much everything else for the majority of people. I think we are repeatedly surprised by this in America because we are so bad at talking about class and so enamored with our myth of a classless society.

But it's also a lot of people being defenders/advocates for classes that are way above their paygrade.

Yeah. People who work for a living, no matter how upper-class of a living, need to be convinced that their class interests lie with the poor. This is possible to do; plenty of rank-and-file Amazon employees voted alongside their poorer neighbors for Kshama Sawant in November here.

I'm certainly not the only pro-Bernie lawyer I know. In fact I'm surprised how often I meet people in my field who are Bernie supporters, they just all tend to be in the 40 and under range.

also infuriating - hearing from the older, well-meaning, biden/pete/bloomberg supporters that they "are rooting for the young people!" and that they support m4a, etc. it's like, one thing you can do to go beyond rooting for young people is to also VOTE with them

if they tell you they support those things and wont even vote for candidates who advance them, they are lying

God knows if I can get this launched before there are another 50 posts here, but I started a new thread: Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious.

After three years and 15,000 posts, let's open some new digs, ok?