"Smells Like Teen Spirit" - Classic Or Dud?

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What would you rather listen to RIGHT NOW, SLTS or 'More than a Feeling'? Really? In your heart?

maryann, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

More that a feeling, I'm afraid.

Omar, Monday, 13 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"More than A Feeling", but that's a classic too. Why be afraid?

Kris, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three months pass...
I'm about to get a lot off my chest. Please be patient.

Nevermind came out just about when I got to college, which was the first time I was ever away from home. I had developed some rather avant-garde listening tastes on my own in the way of Cowboy Junkies and Dead Kennedy's (which are pretty far out bands if you come from Church Point, Louisiana), but in college I had the chance to meet and hang out with lots of different people and get hip to lots of new and different ideas. I had been a metal head as a kid, a devout Ozzy fan, and I always ALWAYS watched Headbanger's Ball on Saturday Nights.

One night, while home on the weekend from college, I was up late as usual watching the Ball, when Nirvana's video for Smells Like Teen Spirit came on. I was utterly transfixed. I had never heard a rock song that sounded like this before.

Those that plow over the same tired row saying that Nirvana is a Pixies ripoff band weren't listening to this song with their hearts, they were listening to it with their heads. It was the perfect fusion of punk and heavy metal, and it created a whole new type of rock in an instant. The thought I had in my mind when I listened to it was "this is the last song that will ever be written" and in my mind, it was. With Nevermind, pop was dead. Everything that has been released since has simply been a recycling of old ideas in a Frankenstein monster amalgam that has a different form, but no soul.

That period of time was a great one for rock music. Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger, Pearl Jam's Ten, Alice in Chains Facelift, Helmet's Meantime; never in rock history so many truly classic records come out at practically the same time. Unfortunately, the information age occured at the same time, so the normal nascent developtment time that artists of this type would have had did not happen, and they were all thrust in to the limelight of world exposure before their youthful angst could be channeled in more focused and solid efforts.

The one Seattle band that escaped this trap was the Melvins, who had already put out a respectable catalog of music, and had worked out the kinks in their sound by the time they landed their deal with Atlantic, in time for them to create their two best records Houdini and Stoner Witch.

It was a great time to be a kid from a little town in college, with lots of great music and great concerts to be experienced. Nirvana's SLTS was the launching pad for this music revolution. Though the candle that burned brightly burned quickly, the early nineties was a turning point in pop music. Nothing even close to the quality and character of the rock of this time has been produced since.

I think it is impossible NOT to consider SLTS a classic, if only from a purely historical standpoint. I don't like the Eagles, Bob Dylan, the Beatles or Eric Clapton, but I don't deny their vital role in shaping the sound of rock music. Simply because Nirvana didn't stick around long enough to make the rounds at state fairs when they got old and fat and bald doesn't mean that they didn't make history. They did.

Everyone has an opinion about what the defining song of the 60's is, the same goes for the 70's and the 80's. But only true snobs can deny that Smells Like Teen Spirit is the defining song of the 90's.

Love, Jeff

Jeff Guidry, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"More than a Feeling" was the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" of my youth. I was 13 in 1976 when it came out I guess. It smashed me at that age but now I hate it. This arena rock thing is so bloody awful. But I still love SLTS though probably less than in 1991. It makes me think of the good old times.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

six months pass...
fuck off

indu 4 u, Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

How cool would that be if that actually was Krist Novoselic? Y'know I'm not sure it wasn't... If you don't like me being on this board then you pretty much have this song to blame, btw.

david h(owie), Saturday, 15 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm just curious, is the deodorant "Teen Spirit" still around?

Justyn Dillingham, Thursday, 20 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes. Dexter Holland is still using it.

Jerry, Thursday, 20 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Only an unqualified retard could find this song to be nonsensical. It is actually quite a deliberate and ingenius lyrical work. First, get that the anger of the song is the underlying theme. From the first riff to start the song off, you can feel the anger being related and that is the whole point mainly because it is never lyrically addressed. It is a buried, ignored anger detectable in the melody but not in what is being sung, and that is very much a good point Cobain made. It was a song about a generation of people who refuse to face anything, the children of the baby boomers, who came into existence simply because the people who survived WW2 wanted to spread their seed. The song talks about the effect of those reckless boomers as parents, and the kids they had. These kids were (are?) directionless. Lines such as : "It's fun to lose and to pretend" as well as "Here we are now, entertain us" show that the main point is the aimless drudgery of these people's lives. They can't feel, they can't focus, thus the general lyrical tone of leaping subjects and blurting out randomness in what is apparent nonsensicality (not a word, I know) but is really an artistic expression of a vapid generation that ironically enough, were the core of Cobain's fans.

Brady Conroy, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Yes, but do we kick butt?" "Read it again..."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

''These kids were (are?) directionless. Lines such as : "It's fun to lose and to pretend" as well as "Here we are now, entertain us" show that the main point is the aimless drudgery of these people's lives. They can't feel, they can't focus, thus the general lyrical tone of leaping subjects and blurting out randomness in what is apparent nonsensicality (not a word, I know) but is really an artistic expression of a vapid generation that ironically enough, were the core of Cobain's fans.''

So basically what Cobain said was= we are alienated from society. Big fucking deal! Isn't this Kurt guy so insightful blah blah...

Julio Desouza, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha julio you are now a QUALIFIED retard

"the s stands for set his hair on fire", Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calum 's': You're a sleeper fan, that makes you a QUALIFIED retard, with many years of EXPERIENCE.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Face it, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is the "Stairway To Heaven" of our generation.

Poots, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No it isn't -- for one thing, it's a lot shorter, and for that I am grateful.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

the 'punk' stairway to heaven it is!

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought it was our generation's "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction", and "Losing My Religion" was our "Stairway to Heaven".

Nate Patrin, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

our generation sounds shit doesn't it?

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

nevermind sounds like sandy pearlman produced it. the bad 70's heavy metal sound is hilarious.

jack cole, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Our generation sounds way better than my little sister's generation. I don't want to think about what a nu-metal or emo Stairway to Heaven would sound like.

lyra in seattle, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Yes, but do we kick butt?" "Read it again..."

Ha! "U Stink But I Love U" VS "Smells Like Teen Spirit" FITE!

Vic Funk, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

pleez Lyra, our generation rox. We have French House!

Chupa-Cabras, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ha! "U Stink But I Love U" VS "Smells Like Teen Spirit" FITE!

The Billy and the Boingers collection (was that the title?) came with a flexi-disc that I never got to listen to and now I really want to know what it sounds like. Bloom County was a disturbingly large influence during my formative years.

adam, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm glad somebody noticed my reference -- and I'm even more pleased it was Vic! ;-) The flexidisc was ridiculously good fun, Adam -- Mucky Pup did one of the tracks, I forget which. One song prominently featured Bill's tongue being played, another Opus's tuba playing, which reached realms of heavy metal/jazz fusion that Sonny Sharrock could never dream of. Sorta. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have to ask this- who/what is this French House? An AMG search is turning up nothing, and I'm curious!

lyra in seattle, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its pretty self-explaining: House music by French.

Ill put on some big names on it but im sure other persons know way more than i do: Air, Alex Gopher, Cassius, Daft Punk, Dimitri From Paris, Etienne de Crecy, Laurent Garnier, St Germain

Chupa-Cabras, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, I get it now. Yeah, I'll give you that you have some good music- but I can't bring myself to believe that any songs as classic as Smells Like Teen Spirit are going to come out of nu-metal. Mr. Cobain did teen agnst much better Mr. Durst has, from what I've heard.

lyra in seattle, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think "Toxicity" is better than "Smells Like Teen Spirit".

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anything by Sistem of A Down is

Chupa-Cabras, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

All the four songs i heard, and taking out Aerials(wich sux)

Chupa-Cabras, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
How on God's green earth are people making comparisons between system of a down and Nirvana? Nirvana was the epitome of what music should be, and in my personal opinion, they still are. They captured rage, hostility, depression, love, hate, sex, drugs, and life in words which Kurt Cobain seemed to magically intertwine with his totally innovative, knuckle contorting guitar playing. It just fit. And no matter what the words mean to us, they meant something to the writer. and instead of kurt trying to appeal to his audiences, i.e. writing something easily understood by everyone, he chose to sum up his thoughts and emotions in words that didnt reveal everything. God forbid the song isnt totally interpretable. The beauty behind Nirvana is that the group ended still at the top of its game, mystery surrounding everything. through the mystery of the what the song might mean, and through the mystery around kurt's death, the band's name will never be forgotten. Im not sucking anyones dick here, i just think everyone is being overcritical and biased in looking at things. the fact is, they were a revolutionary band, and sorry buddy, without Nirvana, System of a Down would be dancing around in tight leather pants along with every other band that would have been stuck in the 80s. they brought about a progrssion. and thats what it has to be about...the progression........

-matt

Matt Paradisi, Tuesday, 1 October 2002 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't quite agree with you on this, Matt. System of a Down come from a pretty different place musically--if Rage Against the Machine or Primus or Zappa or Rush hadn't happened, THEN they might be dancing around in tight leather pants. (Oversimplification to make point; I'm sure y'all understand me here, i.e. please don't let this turn into the whiny bitchfest that this thread started out as.) Nirvana certainly had some impact on them, but not, to my ears, so much that it would've altered them completely.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 02:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic. its fun and catchy. kurt was cute with black hair. i like sliver better.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 1 October 2002 03:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

smells like teen spirit is a good song it still has meening to thos who have non. i guess the oly way to under stand is if it still has meening to you

Alf G, Friday, 11 October 2002 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

well I never heard a song by nirvana, (old school rap guy, ya ya flame away) anyway, the song is pretty cool and love listening to it when i'm wrenching or programming,
but then again I also like the transformers soundtrack =) great driving music!

cliff notes on mypost: thumbs up

someguy, Thursday, 17 October 2002 00:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I rekon all you people out there hassling SLTS are just a bunch of moron. You go on about his life etc like u know him personally, and saying the lyrics are all shit etc.

Read the biography/autobiography of Kurt and all will make sense. Its a good book, and explains a lot about his life, and how his songs and lyrics came to be.

TIMMY!!!, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 03:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was one of those great, great, great record store moments. "What the fuck is this?"
"Nirvana. Comes out next week."
"What day?"
The only standard by which you can judge a song a million plays later is whether the sound is still arresting, and I still think it is. His screaming voice. The fucked up guitar solo. His cracking and rolling on the last verse. Sorry, but "Velouria" and "Safe European Home" aren't even in the same universe...

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 06:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

just a bunch of moron

A freshly plucked, sweet smelling bunch at that.

Read the biography/autobiography of Kurt and all will make sense.

You are reading the words of Charles Cross, Springsteen apologist = you are cursed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha someone called someone else a "stinker" on this thread.

this song was created by pynchon you know

bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

p 538

bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Like some other people I first heard SLTS when I had just left home and come away to university. I had a lot to take in in 1991 - although I'd been listening to a wide variety of things (including Sonic Youth and the Dead Kennedys), on arrival at uni I was exposed to Goth, Crusty (in case this is UK 1991-93 specific as I suspect that basically means The Levellers and other soap-shy folksters) and this new thing called Grunge. I did nothing but listen to records and go to clubs for that whole first year (and had to resit... but it was worth it!). There are a lot of songs that bring that time back for me. 'Add It Up' is one. 'Losing My Religion' is one. SLTS is another.

It's not possible for me to be objective about something so emotionally laden. So a nostalgic thumbs up from me. I THINK it's a classic.

Zora (Zora), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

As some of you know my day job involves with with behaviorally disordered children, average age 11. This morning I was driving one of the kids to school, a young man who if this had been four years ago would have been completely all about Nirvana, and "Teen Spirit" came on the radio. I turned it up: no reaction. I asked if he knew the song, and he said no, that wasn't really his kind of music. To at least one rebellious fuck-shit-up early teenager, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" now sounds like any other classic rock song.

NB three other kids in the car, roughly same age group, all comparably disinterested -- they go through the room for Slim Shady though ;)

J0hn Darn13ll3, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Composing SLTS

More on Kurt's diaries: Newsweek, Observer

Underclocked, Thursday, 24 October 2002 03:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm having a difficult time understanding the reasoning behind all of this unfair lambasting of "Teen Spirit." In order to really appreciate this song, I believe that you have to be, well, a little more sympathetic of the infinitely troubled psyche of Kurt Cobain and the true nature of the pain that existed behind his art. Cobain was by no means your stereotypical rock star; he made it clear that he reviled the avarice and superficiality of the corporate world. He also hated the unrelenting scrutiny forced upon him by the media. It is true that he desired success, but he wanted it on his own terms. He was, admittedly, rather idealistic in his thinking, but how could he have foreseen that he would leave such a profound marking on the hearts of so many people? When "SLTS" shot up the charts, Kurt was more confused than he was pleased. He ended up HATING the song as well as the entire "Nevermind" album; he was completely disgusted with the fact that the majority of the people who bought the record failed to truly empathize with his meaning and message. As for the song itself, well, I will try to present a valid defense of it. Contrary to popular skepticism, I don't think SLTS is a Pixies rip-off. Cobain was certainly heavily influenced by the Pixies, but Nirvana possessed a very distinctive quality and sound that no other band has been able to counter, at least in my opinion. "Teen Spirit" is a classic for many reasons - the opening riff, the brilliant use of the quiet-loud dynamic, the crashing guitar hooks and thundering drumbeats, etc. - but the thing that gives the song its greatest claim to power is undoubtedly Cobain's enraged, visceral, blisteringly heated vocals, and the feelings of urgency and perpetual angst that are conveyed through them. This song WAS the defining call-to-arms of the 1990s, an earth-shattering piece of guitar-driven rebellion that shook an entire generation and drove fear into the hearts of its elders. It had meaning as well; the lyrics were purposely vague and esoteric, but they were not all that difficult to interpret, especially with the release of a clever and time-defining video. "SLTS" was an ingenious encapsulation of the angst and apathy felt by the "Slacker Generation," and once unleashed on the public, its impact was indispensable. It rules. Period. Oh, and to those of you who try to devalue Cobain because of his choice to commit suicide - GET A LIFE! Are you yourself an excruciatingly sensitive, painfully artistic, heroin-addicted manic-depressive? No? Okay, then. Suicide is a right, and although it is an act of selfishness, it is not an act of cowardice. Judging a person for committing suicide, to me, in inexcusable; do you have even the slightest concept of what that person was going through when they decided to end their life? Have some goddamn sympathy! Okay, I'm done now.

Becky, Thursday, 31 October 2002 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

do you read many magazines

boxcubed (boxcubed), Thursday, 31 October 2002 03:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was nine in 1991. I actually have never heard the Nirvana version of the song (only an MP3 of the Tori Amos cover), have no clue what the lyrics are, and have never seen the music video. My hunt for the lyrics themselves on the internet has revealed many pages of random schmucks pontificating the life-changing aspects of a few selected lines, and how the world will never be the same, but the actual LYRICS don't seem to be out there. (Damn google to hell.) I think I'll give up and return to Ani Difranco's Swan Dive.

Steph422, Thursday, 31 October 2002 04:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Between tribute bands and the omnipresence of Nirvana t-shirts on the Youth of Today, and Dave Grohl's new high profile, I've been thinking about this song (==Nirvana) a lot.

It was to me what a hundred songs were to a hundred generations, a starter's gun, a notice that this group of kids had more in common with each other than even with their like-minded older brothers and sisters. They didn't get it, they didn't have it, and now no-one else wants it. It's still great. The first few chords of it thrown into Moulin Rouge hit with an almost physical force.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Suicide is a right, and although it is an act of selfishness, it is not an act of cowardice. Judging a person for committing suicide, to me, in inexcusable; do you have even the slightest concept of what that person was going through when they decided to end their life? Have some goddamn sympathy! Okay, I'm done now.

This is a criminally stupid thing to say.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

its a good song and cobain was a good songwriter but please Becky there's more to music than bloody grunge OK.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link


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