― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, yes, but according to this logic every first person love song ever sung by man could be in fact about a female character, making all of them lesbian.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― marc h. (marc h.), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― dd_____ (dayvidday), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 24 June 2006 04:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― AaronK (AaronK), Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Urge Overkill- SaturationBreeders- Last SplashButthole Surfers- Electric Larryland
my friend bought this album @ the heigth of it's 'popularity' only to be sorely disappointed...
― edde (edde), Sunday, 25 June 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― JTS (JTS), Sunday, 25 June 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 26 June 2006 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 26 June 2006 02:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 26 June 2006 02:41 (seventeen years ago) link
i just heard this on the radio the other day. forgot all about it. id like to see more oddball pop make it big in 08
― gman, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I've been playing this song a few times lately myself! Still wonderful. Seems like it would make a good if random choice for Pop Idol (if not American Idol).
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Did Jyoti ever post on ILM? Old ama regular after all?
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I know he's on last fm.
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Ha ha you would know that...
― kv_nol, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link
i'd like to see the original question applied to today - do we have more bedroom musicians now? it seems so, with the ubiquity of ableton, soft synths and high-spec pcs, but what bedroom musicians have made it big recently? (does this apply to jamie t and early streets?)
― s.rose, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I think loads are/do, just they don't put their bedrooms onto their publicity photos etc.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Saw Jyoti DJing at some schmind night I went to on Saturday as a perverted warm-up for Fabric, he was OK - for an Indie DJ - playing MBV, De La Soul and James Brown amongst Sarah-esque jingly jangly stuff.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Very Camden Underworld 1991.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link
i'd like to see the original question applied to today - do we have more bedroom musicians now? it seems so, with the ubiquity of ableton, soft synths and high-spec pcs, but what bedroom musicians have made it big recently?
How about acts such as The Feeling and Lily Allen, who have gotten famous mainly because of MySpace?
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 13:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh come on, you don't actually believe Lily Allen got famous because of MySpace, do you? Next you'll be bringing up Sandi Thom.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
no geir, no to that
― s.rose, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Your Woman being covered by ............ Wiley.
― djh, Friday, 8 January 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
and it's great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6119_SeiFIs
sighted with another woman in shoreditchit's my house, i pay the mortgage
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link
i still find it weird that the original is some kind of pop touchstone, it's barely ok! wiley's version is way better
It seemed more notable back when its sound was rare and unpopular. One of the more secretly influential singles on 00s pop in that regard, perhaps.
― Tim F, Friday, 8 January 2010 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Jyoti Mishra = Karel Fialka
― Joe Pass Filter (MaresNest), Friday, 8 January 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Never noticed the similarity to the Empire Strikes Back theme before...
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 8 January 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link
an influence on baxter dury
― cozwn, Friday, 8 January 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link
My pharmacist the other day was named Jyoti, I wanted to ask her if she would be my woman but she had a wedding ring on and was pretty much all business so I was scared to try it.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 9 January 2010 04:45 (fourteen years ago) link
spiritual precursor to umbrella
― ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Saturday, 9 January 2010 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link
No charm and no intrigue to the Wiley version; pants.
― exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:25 (fourteen years ago) link
So Wiley bottles out by getting a woman to sing the hook, then changes the original "Few Dollars More"-esque sample into some Star Wars shit. I like the woozy throb of it but fuck is it better than the original.
― Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually I take back the Star Wars bit, I assume whoever made that comparison is watching the wrong movies. And Wiley sounds good, so I guess I mainly just object to the removal of gender ambiguity. Liking this quite a bit now.
― Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, by having an actual woman sing the chorus plus the rap lyrics turn an intriguingly queer song into a yet another hetero jealousy tune. Before I clicked play I was kinda hoping Wiley himself would've sang the "I could never be your woman" chorus, that would've been interesting. Nice beat though.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:32 (fourteen years ago) link
(xx-post)
And I really liked the horn sample in the original, the synthesized equivalent here just doesn't carry the same emotional weight.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link
In the original the horn bit made it feel like the backing track was actively mocking the singer's attempts to ever be "your woman". In here the music already has the same sense of resignation as the lyrics, which make them more in line with each other, but with less drama.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:43 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/seconds/white-town-your-woman.htm
― exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 9 January 2010 11:16 (fourteen years ago) link
the second paragraph of that pretty much sums up why i can't care about the original - it just sounds so weedy and rubbish! i'd probably hate it but for the killer tune, but a killer tune can't quite make up for the rubbishness.
the "queer politics" angle is hilariously overstated and i think the straight narrative of wiley's version works much better - it's not about jealousy, it's about the girl realising that with the male character being what he is, she'll never be able to be his woman. wiley's verses are great, probably one of his best vocal performances, the production is fixed and uk-funky-friendly (first heard this song in an amazing scratcha dva set @ beyond) and it retains the killer tune. miles, miles, miles better than the original.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think the sexual politics part of a song about sexual politics can be overstated really.
I agree I like the Wiley tune plenty but as a Wiley tune that "samples" "Your Woman" rather than as a cover rilly.
― Sharty til You Puke (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:41 (fourteen years ago) link
umm I really like the wiley verison but I don't think it's fair to say "the queer angle is overstated" in re: the original - I mean, that's an essential part of its novelty, a man stating an obvious thing & the listener wondering "what does he mean by that?" -- it was a really clever way of making a lyric engaging without being wordy/opaque/etc. take that away and make it a man-and-woman conversation-in-song and you have, y'know, a song like many other songs.
― Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Exactly.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I like the Wiley version too, but it is less interesting for the reasons stated by John and me above. Like I said, if Wiley himself had done "I could never be your woman" bit, that might've made the song even more compelling than the original, due to the well known aversion rap music has towards queerness. (Whereas indie pop like the original song is less averse to queerness, hence making it less shocking.)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link
wiley doesn't even sample the original, just interpolates the tune.
idk i don't think "gay man fancies straight man" is pushing any particular boundaries or saying anything novel, but actually i'm pretty sure i think that because the narrative and characterisation is pretty weak in the original, just sketched out really unsatisfactorily (and ughhh i'd forgotten about that terrible "highbrow marxist ways" line! cringe!). plus dude sings it in such a half-assed way that i can't bring myself to care any way about his situation, it sounds no more "queer" than the demos on youtube sung by ne-yo or the-dream that they've written for a woman to sing.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
the reason wiley shouldn't have done the "i could never be your woman" line is that he can't sing and it would've been terrible for that reason alone