So you guys are arguing whether some artist was a bit too wonky to be IDM and whether being on Warp qualifies him, but everyone disagrees with me when I point out that a straight-up Detroit techno album that was put out by motherfucking Tresor might not belong on the list?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
tuomas you are a tresor
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:00 (seven years ago) link
feel like richdork contributors are definitely cognizant that some of the entries do not fit the more classical definition of idm but willfully included some more diverse music
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:01 (seven years ago) link
Would have loved to see Max Tundra on the list. Would love to see him in any list tbh... I guess I relate him more to weirdo synth pop than IDM but some of his songs would definitely fit with other artists on the genre... again that's the problem with IDM it's more related to certain labels like Warp than a particular sound.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link
NO MAX TUNDRA NO CREDIBILITY jk good write ups, Ned!
Thanks!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
That top 10 made me smile so much
also now is as good a time as any to say that I think I've heard SAW maybe twice and couldn't tell you a damn thing about it
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:40 (seven years ago) link
I'm still going to bat for the first Telefon Tel Aviv album as having aged the best out of more or less everything. You can tell what they were inspired by with the labored-over glitchiness, but setting it against half-time 808 beats was prescient (not to mention the melodies and general lushness of the record).
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
not a particularly great list, not a particularly bad one, would ordinarily be inclined to talk a bunch of shit out of principle but since they put urban tribe on it all is forgiven
― the late great, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 23:00 (seven years ago) link
I am glad a lot of bad things were omitted
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 01:35 (seven years ago) link
No Confield OMG.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 03:46 (seven years ago) link
agreed, that record still sounds utterly alien 15 years later, it's fantastic
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 04:42 (seven years ago) link
I listen to it rarely because there's at least one track that makes me feel physically unsettled
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
that one track is "Bine"
it is the aural equivalent of food poisoning
still awesome though
― frogbs, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 14:47 (seven years ago) link
First off, I come in peace - this is overall a great list, especially for a genre with an offensive name that nobody from the golden age wants to admit being a part of.
"idm" for me is whatever the hyperreal list was biggin up '96-'02, so the list felt sorta narrow to me - no Amon Tobin, no Fennesz, no Vladislav Delay of any kind. And trust, every FSOL, Orbital and Orb release got the microscope treatment. Do you think Orbus Terrarum got more love in some other scene? Will any electronic track ever satisfy the cerebral idm fan's pretensions to symphonic glory more than The Girl With The Sun In Her Head? I understand why they didn't show up, but it feels like an incomplete representation of what idm heads were listening to.
On the other hand, I was surprised to see Drexciya. _Glad_, but surprised. I like to think that this is a nod towards the fact that "idm" was a gradual evolution from Detroit techno, not a drastic break. (Hm ... now why would the Detroit artists not get the "intelligent" tag? Hmmm ....)
Oh and Bytes >>> Spanners, what happened here.
― 0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
I am thankful to this list for getting me to listen to Hard Normal Daddy today
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
me too, for Farben last two days
re: lukas - I thought the same thing about Fennesz not being there, especially as Jim O'Rourke showed up. Still, one good thing about the list was that seemed like a clear attempt to expand the IDM definition (FlyLo, Jlin, Jon Hopkins -- really anything after about 2005). It's not like this kind of stuff ever went away, just the specific genre tag did
― Dominique, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
a little disappointed that jon hopkins was the 'this is idm today' inclusion and not the much more adventurous and imo praiseworthy james holden record from the same year
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:01 (seven years ago) link
just saw Squarepusher with his live band play like half of Hard Normal Daddy and it was the best music ive ever seen or heard in the history of music
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
lukas very otm (and how the hell did I miss the lack of Amon Tobin inclusion?!?)
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link
I was the president of my own personal Amon Tobin street team back in the day and I totally didn't notice that he wasn't on this list, oops
― (The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
no Cylob? Luke Vibert?
shit's wack.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 26 January 2017 01:46 (seven years ago) link
https://cylob.bandcamp.com/album/cylob-music-system-3000
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 26 January 2017 01:53 (seven years ago) link
good Autechre choices, but their post-2000 material is where the real magic happens
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Thursday, 26 January 2017 01:56 (seven years ago) link
I must be the only Autechre fan who hates Tri Repetae.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 January 2017 02:47 (seven years ago) link
probably
― the late great, Thursday, 26 January 2017 03:16 (seven years ago) link
I never thought of Amon Tobin as IDM, I guess? Too organic and sample-based. But it still fell into the left-field, non-functional electronic music I was into at the time, so sure.
(And I still feel like Foley Room and ISAM are underrated in terms of their influence on the current crop of sound design-heavy, cinematic, high-impact experimental club music)
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
Tri Repetae is not one of the more interesting autechres to me but it's the most 'listenable', in the same sense that a beer is 'drinkable'
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
Chiastic Slide/LP5 is my sweet spot for listenable + interesting
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
Oversteps + Move of Ten!!!!
― frogbs, Thursday, 26 January 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
Draft + Untilted + Quaristice :)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 27 January 2017 01:46 (seven years ago) link
oh we're doing top Ae, in that case I choose Amber, Chiastic, Cichlisuite, EP7, Confield, Untilted, Exai and maybe elseq.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 27 January 2017 04:37 (seven years ago) link
Basically anything post Tri Repetae can be the best autechre album, depending on my specific mood.
― silverfish, Friday, 27 January 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
tri repetae definitely my favorite autechre. lp5 is good too
― marcos, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link
quaristice was rad too i thought
despite owning almost all of his albums and really really loving some of them ("coronus the terminator", what an amazing tune) i kind of hate flylo
― marcos, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:07 (seven years ago) link
yea that farben album is so smooth
― marcos, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:10 (seven years ago) link
side note, just realizing list ignored a whole corner of post-IDM dance music from the likes of Zomby, Lone, Rustie, et al -- these guys have been vocal about being influenced by Aphex, BOC and the first wave of IDM, kind of surprising not to see at least one of them show up.
― Dominique, Friday, 27 January 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
Lone and Zomby are on my albums list
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
I'm getting my threads confused...
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
I'm less surprised about those ones not showing, but I would have thought OPN would be on there
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
That's why I thought it was weird to crack the lid of that box just a little, there is soooo much that could be a whole separate list.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 27 January 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link
I'm putting on a night of classic electronica, IDM, glitch, breaks, drill'n'bass etc tomorrow. Got a fair bit of music lined up, but what would you include (preferably stuff that has aged okay and is generally upbeat enough to dance to, or at least tap your toes)?
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
Quinoline Yellow - see 14 acrossIsan - amber button (i prefer the "live" one if you can find it. ah, it's on bandcamp)
― koogs, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
Carl Craig, LFO, Kenny Larkin, early mike paradinas, ken ishii, two lone swordsmen, cristian vogel. cylob if you want to fuck with people.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
Buckfunk 3000.
i might play Rewind! by Cylob. A lot of these tracks are really lo-fi sounding by today's comparison. Also I realised how many of these old tunes I painstakingly ripped from CD to 128kbps back in the mid-2000s. Well done me.
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link
'Flutter'!
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
One of my personal all-time jamshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-UY_JKS8w
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
Ambient News - Zweite SendungCylob - The Quantum Loonyverse
these are post-2000 but both are arguably classics
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
DJ Pierre - Box Energy (AFX Remix) Not sure if this is too obvious? Probably. But greatest ever anyway.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 12 October 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link