defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

somehow worse than treeship's pantswetting revive

at least treeship didn't suggest the cia try to get rid of greenwald

who did

Pinned Tweet
Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald Feb 12
"Russian agent" - noun - "One who criticizes Democratic Party leaders." Syn: "Useful idiot, Putin loyalist, Kremlin spy."
59 replies 439 retweets 1,054 likes

guesses on how much longer this stays the pinned tweet?

guess what idgaf about

Morbs?

ah it's the Think Tank Triumvirate!

(j/k Tom is much smarter than you other two vertebrates)

I'm sure he flattered

he's*

I admit I had to wiki it in my confusion, but... aren't we all vertebrates?

ILX annual checkups on March 1

He meant invertebrates, Fred.

i didn't actually, telepath, i was giving you the BotD

At least Fred admits when he doesn't know what a word means.

I don't know what BotD means. I'm assuming the D stands for Dick, and not entirely comfortable with where this discussion is going.

he was calling you lower forms of life by referring to you by subphylum rather than species

reminder that this all started when fred decided to take an unprovoked potshot at morbs

xp is that a real thing? i've heard of ppl using invertebrate as an insult or even reprobate. i've never heard someone use vertebrate as an insult. occum's razor suggests that the brilliant film critic just a characteristically dumb mistake rather than he was using language in a novel and difficult to parse way. it's a bit sleep is where i'm a viking.

Mordy and Fred, together at last.

reminder that this all started when fred decided to take an unprovoked potshot at morbs

― k3vin k., 14. februar 2017 18:44 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I assumed that was what El Tomboto was doing as well?

is any potshot at morbs unprovoked at this point?

youre such a little prisonpunk, Mord

benefit of the Drumpf, FB

he was calling you lower forms of life by referring to you by subphylum rather than species

― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), 14. februar 2017 18:42 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But... isn't subphylum a higher rank than species?

yes, that insult definitely makes sense. i'm easily bullied by ppl into working for them. you have quite a way with words. i understand why you decided to make a career out of it. xp

To be fair, the fact that Morbs seems not to have developed his insult-capacities that well speaks well of his reviewing skills. The whole name-calling thing is such hackery.

i quit film criticism 3 years ago btw, for the good of all

this fucking guy
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/846334735169261569

what do your studies show, dingaling?

wonder if you can figure out why this framing is lying w/ statistics

that's nice

Morbs is kinda the scott adams of ilxor, here to explain why your inability to grok stats makes your assclowneyness predictable and boorring.

blow me

Monday's off to a good start!

Philipp Rudiger‏ @PhilippJFR 3h3 hours ago

@ggreenwald @MattBruenig This is asinine, "The majority of candidate Xs votes came from 66% of the electorate" is not a headline.

I'm going to copy what I said about this article on Facebook over here:

Let's look at this a little closer:

Here are the percentages of Trump's support in the overall poll broken down by demographic:

White men: 21%
White women: 19%
Black men: 1.6%
Black women: 0.2%
Latino men: 1.6%
Latino women 1.9%

The story here is not "more women and people of color supported Donald Trump in this poll". The story is "Donald Trump's support is overwhelmingly made up of white people". This article is an attempt to make white men who don't like Trump feel better about their demographic.

Or, to put it another way for those who really want this to be the fault of non-white people: if you remove non-white people from the poll, Trump wins handily. We are not the reason Trump won. Handle your shit.

seems to me "women" is the relevant point here, those who got missed in the attempt to Make History

I'm not sure how you missed the 8 million "election results show that racism trumps sexism with white women, something that practically every person of color in this country could have told you while rolling their eyes at your naivety" thinkpieces from November and December but we've already talked all of this to death.

I didn't miss those.

so to summarize, Mordy playin' Gotcha with Greenwald, v boring, back to I Love Baseball

I don't hate Greenwald or Bruenig like some folks here, but it's aggressively stupid to combine "women and POC" in this. Yes, white women voted for Trump - we knew that from the day after the election and have always known that women's voting patterns follow the same patterns as men when it comes to race (the difference in how 'women' vote usually comes down to black women making up a large percentage of that voting demographic).

IIRC, the only group that Trump won outright was white evangelicals (male and female)... who happen to make up a quarter of the electorate and vote Republican as much as black Americans vote Democratic.

i'm a bit late to this convo, but that's bookmarks for you

i'm not exactly going to defend bruenig, because i don't trust his politics and he gets on my nerves, but this is an obvious troll. i think he deletes tweets regularly, but he said as much in convos about this piece. he likes to see liberals spin their wheels.

his argument is that the "women and people of color" framing is racist. because the categories aren't really the same. women and people of color added together make up, what, 75% of the country? so yes, donald trump's voting coalition is going to be "majority women and people of color." so using that frame doesn't tell you much, in the end.

it was also, i gather, written against a strong strain of contempt from elite democrats for poor people who voted for trump, more or less actively wishing for their deaths so we could have better politics again.

i mean, someone chimed into a related convo (btw greenwald and talib kweli) with this gem:

https://twitter.com/Hottyrotty/status/847255201568313344

If a Trump voter gets harassed and/or killed b/c he is black than fuck him. He had it coming

yeah sure it's just some rando asshole but it's an extremely common attitude. it's common on ilx!

yes a comment sentiment on ilx

common*

i still don't get what bruenig's argument is -- that talking about women and POC as a monolithic group is racist and that's why he did it? idgi.

his point is the point he always has: that liberals are suckers with bad ideas

i guess when you have a dumb point you tend to make dumb arguments to support it

saying a black trump voter had his violent death coming to him is a common sentiment on ilx??

i'm wary of breunig for exactly the same reasons goole is but i still like him. i don't trust that he's always *right* about things and he more or less exists (on twitter at least -- i know he's done some good irl research) to be a troll, but he trolls the right people and he's pretty funny

let the record show that goole also believes April and May are indistinguishable