Remake/Remodel: DC Rebirth so you don't have to

psyched for george jetson vs batman tbh

The cognitive dissonance of mostly decent creators working on comics adapting Hanna Barbera properties (which I always considered the nadir of childhood entertainment) for DC (which has largely been a dud of a company for a while) which are somehow good against all odds is doing my head in.

pictures of minor riots and skirmishes and police with pepper spray in washington being shown on the bbc right now

Crisis on Earth-2

i leave it to your imagination as to whether i posted in the wrong thread

WHITHER HAWKMAN WHEN WASHINGTON NEEDS HIM

This is Earth Prime

I dunno what cable news channel YOU'RE watching but i beg to differ

Just because we elected Per Degaton doesn't mean it's changed.

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Both DC and Marvel have been in a big rut for the past few years. I'm trying with the Batman titles, but they swing from doing a scene that might be cool to some of the dumbest Batman comics I have ever read and I have read a few.

It's definitely a different era of comics when they have Batman both getting it on with Catwoman in a current story and put out a movie where he gives it to Batgirl. The nurds definitely have taken over the temple.

Charles Soule's current run on Daredevil has been pretty good.

A new level of customer contempt from DC saw no less than 4 regular books clock in at under 20 pages.

Seriously? That's fucked.

I only noticed when I got to the end of Superman and was confused because it felt like I'd just started reading it. And at 18 pages, I had.

How bizarre.

the food is terrible - and such small portions!

Dr. Manhattan farted, and rebooted the DCU for the 52nd time...

Huh, guess I missed that news about the DC pagecount. What turds. IIRC, Marvel pulled that nonsense under Jemas (the era that also brought us ads indiscriminately plopped between the pages of what was intended to be a two-page spread).

If last week's issue of New Super-Man is true and Ching Lung from Detective Comics #1 is actually the creator of the Rebirthiverse then I could almost see my way to forgiving everyone involved.

Does anyone know about current plans for the Legion of Super-Heroes? Weren't they teased in the "Rebirth" one-shot?

I think the plan is to have them come back, still be boring and have no readers, and then cancel them again.

why should anything ever change?

there's your slogan for the next reboot

The next line-wide reboot should just be a thing where everybody trades costumes for a while. Whoooa, Batman dresses like Booster Gold now, and hey look, is that Beast Boy dressed like Wonder Woman, how fun.

Saturn Girl is in Arkham Asylum as seen in Batman. There's an unknown link to Emerald Empress who was rebooted into the alternative Suicide Squad in JLvSS and Batgirl is going to bust her out of Arkham in her forthcoming annual leading to a Supergirl team-up which presumably will lead to a Legion reveal.

I've got a soft spot for the Legion but they'll get cancelled if they get their own book. Remember, they had not one but TWO Johnsiverse books. And also remember that Deathstroke has a Rebirthiverse book so baffling editorial decisions are clearly a speciality.

Thx for the info. I also have a soft spot for the LSH, but missed both the reboot and "threeboot." I checked out the New 52's "Legion Lost," and it was (without exaggeration) one of the worst comics I've ever read.

batman has been pretty good with Tom King, shame they've fucked it sideways with all this Dr. Manhattan nonsense.

Yeah, it's good. Even the Watchmen stuff isn't as awful as I would've expected - and it's only two issues.

I wish he could lose David Finch, though. They should prize Francesco Francavilla away from Snyder and put him on the main title. Best Batman artist since Norm Breyfogle, maybe?

breyfogle is def my batman artist in the way that neal adams might be for readers a generation before - he was so great

i haven't been keeping up on recent developments in the dcu because, amazingly, even i have better things to do with my time; is there a decent primer somewhere on what's going on with the watchmen shenanigans?

Don't light the Aldo-Signal!

my first post was a suggestion that we might need to stage an intervention itt for his own benefit, so that's a fair point

i'll do some googling of my own and no doubt i'll be back shortly to go 'lol wtf'

let's see if my theory of "you should be able to follow a plot without reading every back issue" holds up here, considering I've only read some news blurbs, Batman, and I think some sort of pre-event one-shot:
- There was something called Flashpoint, where Flash tried to save his mother from this other bad Flash guy (Thawne?) that created another timeline where Bruce's dad became Batman
- Something is screwed up and Batman found a letter from his dad that shouldn't have existed
- Apparently screwing with history in DC doesn't create alternate timelines, according to the Flash, it just rewrites the past and changes the present. So the Flashpoint universe should be gone and someone's held it there to screw with heroes
- Comedian button in Batcave? Watchmen? Something killed that Thawne guy with radiation and I've heard something about Dr. Manhattan being in the DC universe so idk?

i did some googling of my own

lol wtf

the idea of bringing the remnants of previous reboots into your current reboot is utter fucking madness

as far as I can tell, the whole New 52 thing where all the heroes have been doing their thing for a much abbreviated period yet have a bunch of history makes no sense to them in-universe either, and it wasn't a bad editorial decision in the real world but a godlike character from Watchmen that did this

I take back my previous statement, I did read some stuff on io9 about the two Supermen and how they've now merged and have both continuities wrapped into one guy

I thought at first they were going to switch to a Marvel model where changing the past creates an alternate dimension but uhhh apparently not

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imo the only real option is to just say that everything that happened in any DC comic, ever, is now in canon

they already did that like 15 years ago! it was called hypertime and it was working fine!

ffs dc you are a total shower of clueless bastards

Man, if only DC had been aware of its genetic predisposition when it took those initial, furtive nips of Crisis back in the '80s, maybe it wouldn't be slouched in an alley, desperately guzzling that off-brand Rebirth mouthwash today.

I demand they rebuild the DC universe but Batman is the one from that comic based on the 60s tv show

also Tom King will still write him

xxpost Watchmen being, I guess, the TV they stole from their brother in this metaphor.

occasionally peeling open a grimy floor-length trenchcoat to reveal tattered copies of red hood and the outlaws stapled to the lining, croaking 'hey kids! comics!' at passersby xxxp

GASP! As I swing into action!

Tom King's gone already, isn't he? This week's Batman is by someone else and clearly ghost written by the architects of the Johnsiverse.

To summarise:

Everything that ever happened to Superman has happened to this Superman, even the things that didn't. All his histories were merged into one in a battle against Mr Mxyzptlk after he (Myxy) escaped from the prison created by Mr Oz (who is increasingly looking not to be Ozymandias).

The button in the wall in Batman was activated by the Psycho Pirate's mask and brought the Reverse Flash into continuity before he was killed by someone who may or may not be Dr Manhattan (but certainly didn't seem to be). Batman got Flash to use the Cosmic Treadmill to try and find where Reverse Flash came from, and instead creates a new Flashpoint and they end up with Thomas Wayne. No idea where it's going.

Wonder Woman may be realising she's a fictional character, except in the books where she isn't. And the issues of her own book where she isn't.

Every other book has ignored Rebirth except where it creates their entire plot, for better or worse, which means we still have two Wally Wests, two Dick Grayson etc.

oh aldo :(

we still have two Wally Wests, two Dick Grayson etc.

jesus h christ

you can never have too much Dick

TBF, Marvel currently has multiple multiversal versions of the same characters coexisting within a single universe, but one at least senses that this was more of an intentional decision rather than something they woke up next to after a night they can't remember and then half-heartedly attempted to make the best of.

'Did I have two Dicks last night? Remember, dammit, remember!'