the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

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Also, like I said above, the show really went wrong by trying to up the threat level with each season. At some point the attempt to create yet another villain who can outsmart Sherlock and who is even more clever than previous villains will just lead into something that's too ridiculous and unrealistic even for this show, and hence we got Eurus. I get the impulse of trying to wow the fans more and more, but it never ends well. I would've been much better to balance the more outrageous cases with more mundane ones, like in the Doyle stories.

It's not a coincidence that Doyle created the "evil mastermind who's just as smart as Holmes" only for what was supposed to be the last ever story, and most people agree the quality started dropping when that didn't turn out to be the finale after all.

There are loads of good stories after "Final problem" - maybe not as consistent, but certainly the best ones are as good as anything in the first two books.

The novels are more like the TV show than the short stories - lots of implausible rubbish with some good bits

The first episode where the solution had major holes in it was the first episode. The taxi drivers method made no sense... And wasn't Scandal in Belgravia almost completely a spy- and politics story? Just saying, the show changed much less than people think, imo. It was always flawed, the flaws just became much more obvious as time went by. I still liked most of it, because Moffatt is one of the best writers in the medium, who even when the big stuff falls apart puts so much great little stuff in there that it stays watchable.

The taxi drivers method made no sense...

In what way?

I mean, he knew he was gonna die anyway, and clearly he was very proud of the way he was able to read people, probably cultivated throughout the years he'd been a cabbie. So it makes sense he decided to murder them with a method that involved a risk of death for himself too, because he wasn't afraid of dying, and everytime he "won" he proved how superior he was.

The method he used to win made no sense. Or rather, it was never explained. Probably because nothing would have made sense.

I did, in fact, go see Underworld: Blood Wars and not only was Lara Pulver (Sherlock's Irene Adler) one of the main characters, the movie was better than at least one of this season's episodes of Sherlock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism

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That's kinda rubbish.

Suggesting post-Final Problem is inferior is madness imo, so much good stuff there without even mentioning Baskervilles (which I'd speculate is the one thing the Man On The Clapham Omnibus could name - or could have, before the TV show); Dancing Men, for example, is probably top 5, but see also Norwood Builder, Empty House,Bruce-Partington, Second Stain, Wisteria Lodge...

that reminds me that, as already noticed upthread, they didn't even bother with the mystery stories by the end since a couple of times they have simply "mentioned" the cases (dancing men, for instance) in the "fastforward" moments (don't know how to qualify those !). Like "who cares about the cases that made the hero famous in the first place when we can go on and on about the wives and families" !

That's kinda rubbish.

Nevertheless, real-life perfomers use these techniques to predict choices people make with fairly good accuracy, so it's not like the cabbie's method doesn't make sense, at least compared to a bad guy controlling the entire staff of a high-security psychiatric ward because she's so good at convincing people.

And the weird thing is all those entertainers also learned their craft through cabbing!

Nah, it's bullshit. And not just that he gets them to choose the poison, but that he gets them to choose at all. No sign of struggle, nothing. That solution is full of holes.

And I'm not comparing it to the last few, but to the second one of season three, which I suspect you were referring to when you said that was the first holed solution? That the corsets are unusually strong is a less stupid thing than that the cab-driver had learned how to be a mentalist...

And not just that he gets them to choose the poison, but that he gets them to choose at all. No sign of struggle, nothing.

He was pointing a pistol at them, so if they refused to choose he'd shoot them. It makes sense that most people would choose (what looks to them like) a 50/50 chance of dying rather than almost certain death.

As the plot holes in "Sign of Three", the corset was hardly the biggest one. My complain about the episode is way upthread, but here's a direct link to it:

the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

ahah, I've just read the Quietus article.
It's perfect.
lock thread !

Re the cab driver, my Sherl-obsessed daughter tells me it was figured out on the innernettes that it was the water which was poisoned - both pills being innocuous, a dry swallow is safe but drinking it down was fatal. I have neither the interest nor the time to verify tho. Hated the fourth season front to back, embarrassing overheated fanfic.

I don't think we ever see cabbie give anyone a glass of water? He certainly doesn't give Sherlock any.

Ah my bad, sorry.

No trick, he was just riding his luck.

Nevertheless, real-life perfomers use these techniques to predict choices people make with fairly good accuracy

Hmmmm.

Real-life mentalists can use all sort of more or less subtle tricks to make a seemingly random choice less so. Here's one crude example of such a trick, but the cabbie probably has refined better techniques to make the victim more likely to choose the poisoned pill. He supposedly only makes "one move" (pushing one of the bottles towards the victim), which is very flashy, but no doubt that flashiness works to hide the other, more subtle gestures/suggestions that he uses to make the seemingly random choice work in his favour. Of course he (like any real-life mentalist) still has a percentage of failure, but since he's about to die anyway, he's willing to take that risk.

Also, since we learn he doesn't even own a real gun but a fake one, the "one move" is very useful in pushing the victim towards accepting his game. If he were to present the two bottles equally, so that the victims would think they have an even 50/50 chance of picking the wrong one, some of them might rather take their chances in trying to fight the guy than to choose a pill, in which case they'd find out the gun isn't real, and the cabbie would be exposed. But since he makes his "one move", this makes the choice not-random, and the victims would think they can second-guess the (seemingly simple-minded) cabbie's intentions, and choose the pill he didn't want them to choose. So they're more likely to play the game, thinking they have a better than a 50% chance to win.

That's still pretty nonsensical...

xp they also use cheap (physical) magic tricks in the guise of mentalism but i suppose there's no reason the cabbie couldn't have done that too. still prefer my theory though.

Guys, it is sherlock holmes, in one of the original stories a man was killed by a trained snake, relax, it is not hard realism

Yeah, James, that's kinda my point :) I enjoy the show, I just don't think the descent into nonsensicalness has been so steep as others do.

Indeed. Also, pretty obviously the writers didn't explicitly explain how the cabbie did so viewers could construct their own theories, just like they did later on when they didn't reveal the exact details of how Sherlock faked his suicide.

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I don't agree: there still think there's a marked difference between the cabbie's methods and Eurus' mass hypnosis. The former can explained in a way that works within it the shows level of relative realism. The latter can't be, it breaks the suspension of disbelief in a way the cabbie doesn't.

From the Washington demo yesterday:

http://i.imgur.com/tNfX2LP.jpg

god I just remembered the bit about the dog and the friend that got thrown down the well by the sister and hated this show so hard

congress: grab him by the emoluments & tax returns

it was actually a plot device down the well and not a dog iirc