Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

I should say that was following up on the

two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

― goole

"People I know post" is the new "I heard at church" isn't it

that's a good counterpt fl0p

― goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:21 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ty

imo this is the whole problem with politics on twitter, everything is argumentum ad logicam. you can always find SOMEONE arguing an idiotic version of the ideology you're opposed to. like who the fuck is Eric Garland? who was that lady who wrote the 'no one wants to live in your racist shithole' facebook post? chapo twitter crew survive off the perception that there is this identitarian neoliberal left-baiting cabal when they're just in a bubble that incentivises them to find the shittiest such posts

I believe that kids are going to eventually internalize "you can find somebody on the Internet saying anything" and get past this shit

Us old dogs are probably useless though

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

eric garland's absurd game theory rant was pretty well publicized, it's not like they had to go looking for it

i'm just glad people are finally getting around to realizing what a great record _lolita nation_ is

I just posted that an example of v vocal Hillary supporters still trying to attack Bernie supporters.

It's similar to people doing that "how's that hopey-changey thing working out" thing from 2009 on

you copy pasted a COMMENT to a nytimes article

And I should preface it by saying this is someone I've known for a long time who isn't prone to posting that kinda thing and I would expect better from

you copy pasted a COMMENT to a nytimes article

FB post, tbf

proving my point that this whole crew are scraping the bottom of the rando barrel to find, er, fish to shoot

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

― goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 12:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of many otm goole posts itt

someone needs to burn twitter to the virtual ground.

i never heard this podcast but if it really is people from the incestuous social media left mocking the incestuous social media center-left it sounds worse than waterboarding

You can breathe whenever you want so no

imo this is the whole problem with politics on twitter, everything is argumentum ad logicam. you can always find SOMEONE arguing an idiotic version of the ideology you're opposed to. like who the fuck is Eric Garland? who was that lady who wrote the 'no one wants to live in your racist shithole' facebook post? chapo twitter crew survive off the perception that there is this identitarian neoliberal left-baiting cabal when they're just in a bubble that incentivises them to find the shittiest such posts

― flopson, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude i don't have to look past this very thread to see the exact same stuff although stated perhaps a bit more cogently.

i never heard this podcast but if it really is people from the incestuous social media left mocking the incestuous social media center-left it sounds worse than waterboarding

― Treeship, Friday, January 13, 2017 5:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

case in point, treesh !

going to go to all the ilx threads and say "i have never heard this band but if it really is noisy people clanging garbage racket then it sounds bad"

Gunna be a fun four years

ilm threads even

also to be noted the prime mining areas for Bad Tweets are typically like the director of the Center for American progress, a founder of Vox, the editor of Mother Jones.

this show is goofy cathartic fun centered around bullying dumb pseuds in the media. it owes more to howard stern than anything and I don't think it can really bear the weight of representing an actual political movement but that's not its fault.

otm re: the howard stern comparison. like myself and others upthread have said, it's just a good podcast

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

― goole

fwiw ive agreed with most of what youve posted but this...i feel like we're just exiting in two parallel but different universes right now, because it's not been my experience at all.

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

i will listen to this at some point and they are going for different things obv but this^ really, really makes me appreciate the efforts the uhh yeah dudes go to, really digging deep for not stepped on content

also yet another recorded straight to laptop podcast with shitty sound, wildly varying levels, etc? really? no excuse for this imo, even if you're making bupkes

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

― goole

I've definitely seen random examples of that but maybe because my social media feeds lean far left I'm getting the opposite impression. I know I know "your mentions aren't the election etc" Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support. Hasn't it always been the case that the Bernie people were more anti-Hillary then vice verse? I keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

Tbf, the sound's gotten better, but it ain't where it should be yet. Way too much room echo on Matt's end, for example.

keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

Heh. Move this up the coast a bit and you have Portland and Seattle, too.

Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support

tablet mag just ran a piece about the dangerous anticlinton left, captioned by an extreme closeup of ellison's face, mouth open in apparent rage, howling, coming for you. maybe this is cherrypicking -- glad to hear it if there's more openness to him than i think.

Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

i just don't see this. at the beginning of the primary the centrist attitude to bernie was "lol hippies", just like it always is. maybe a little bit of "how civilized that our inevitable champion will first be toughened by a few friendly war games!" by the end, after he'd actually given clinton something vaguely resembling trouble, it was "we must defeat the secret leader of the misogynistic and probably-racist-somehow hate mob perversely calling itself 'the left'". this has continued.

to be fair that piece in tablet was written by a never trump neocon who starts off the article saying he has voted for republican presidents since 2004 until trump came along

so a hilary voter but not a liberal

yr right. still -- these are the people the center wants a "coalition" with.

(and there aren't very many of them. cf again the infamous schumer remark.)

Weird, it's honestly been the opposite with me. I recall quite a few of his supporters online openly rooting for HRC to get indicted. You know...for the emails. Wikileaks stuff was often shared by both Bernie dead enders along with Trump supporters, even the "she has Parkinson's" "she killed Seth Rich" variety stuff WL pushed.

Bernie supporters are San Francisco.

wrong:

President, Democratic Party
Clinton, Hillary: 55.46%
Sanders, Bernie: 43.81%

http://www.sfexaminer.com/election-june-2016-latest-results/

prize for taking a metaphor literally goes to

so much winning

we do hate LA though, that part is true

New premium ep is up, and this week's delay was because the previous ep got munched....because they probably recorded straight to the laptop again. Goddammit.

Talk of how the sound quality is bad is the first thing that has me interested in listening to this

How come evidence of "the center" is always the actual politicians? It seems like most of the ppl critical of the "dirtbag left" I know would not in any way consider themselves centrist

haha whoa, Matt snuck in a Joey Boots tribute at the end of this new premium ep. makes sense at least one these guys is a Stern fan

i don't know anybody who would honestly describe themselves as a "centrist" or a "moderate". i do know people who espouse centrist ideas. a lot of people were raised all their life on certain ideas, like the notion that the basis of government is compromise, that led to the passage of the ACA in the first place, and aren't willing or able to acknowledge that particular ship sailed a long time ago. i'm not particularly worried about them because most of the lifelong democrats will fall in line behind whoever the candidate is, regardless of their policies. they will be a more reliable voting bloc than the ideological left, who have a congenital resistance to "falling in line" behind anybody.

I can never keep them straight on Twitter vs their voices, but one responded to people defending John Lewis quoting their negative statements on Chelsea Manning. Yeah, the people quoted are stupid re:Manning, but I feel like that's just an unnecessary and unhelpful path to travel down.

Burn down the Democratic structures, yeah, but I'm pretty comfortable rallying around legitimate American heroes with otherwise disagreeable people.

I met a Chapo fan in the wild this morning - this is in Toronto. They are becoming a proper Thing, I am inclined to think.

Yeah, people I've turned on to the show are now spreading it to others who're subscribing.

Subscribers atm are now 7,601, about 1/6th up from last month, according to Graphtreon.

Also:

https://twitter.com/deep_beige/status/820381681144266752

Brendan James‏ @deep_beige

Just recorded an episode with the great @BillCorbett, genuinely a high point of my life

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2KUx-fVQAAGw4E.jpg

1:26 PM · Jan 14, 2017

https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/820410460189196288

is this the bill corbett who replaced trace beaulieu as the voice of crow on mst3k, or some other bill corbett?

what are we going to say about this nonsense 5 years from now