Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

zero effort at coalition-building from center types,

won't argue with that, particularly as 'center types' applies to a lot of smug paid opinion-havers.

anyway. TRAP HOUSE. v good show and will continue to listen and prob even send them $$$

two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

― goole

boy, i just don't run in those circles at all. i see far more people on my feed bitching about clinton and obama than people with even one bad word to say about bernie.

as for hillary's disappearance, thank god! if people are still calling her satan after she's pulled a vanishing act, imagine the reaction she'd be getting if she was doing or saying anything at all.

ha isn't she going to Broadway shows and the inauguration? Quite a disappearance.

I keep feeling like "working class" as a phrase is completely broken because it brings to mind this idea of industrial or manual labor, or at least workers with hourly wages as opposed to salaried positions. But a lot of the jobs at that end of the payscale (or lower, a decent union factory job can pay better) are in call centers for insurance or financial services

people are fuming about "racists in the working class" but the working class they're really talking about is people who call them about mortgage payments or the cashier at starbucks

after she's pulled a vanishing act

The NY Times was relentlessly floating the "HRC for NYC mayor" trial balloon about a week ago, so that's some disappearance. I'm sure the clan's camp had noooothing to do with it, of course.

zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

Schumer endorsed Ellison over Perez

The NY Times was relentlessly floating the "HRC for NYC mayor" trial balloon about a week ago, so that's some disappearance. I'm sure the clan's camp had noooothing to do with it, of course.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius)

sorry, charlie, she's your problem now.

that's a good counterpt fl0p

I like the sound of this chihuahua/terrier type

That would be Will's dog:

https://mobile.twitter.com/willmenaker/status/815421869998440448

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1D13EZUsAAxbPG.jpg

they're recording a premium episode right now and taking questions live, if anyone's interested: https://curiouscat.me/722127759699505153 i assume the episode will be up later tonight

xp love it!

getting back on topic, does anyone have any thoughts on why Hillary Clinton lost the US presidential election?

let's ask Cum Town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfw5UmWyFSw

Somebody I know posted the link to the NYT article titled "Trump’s Cabinet So Far Is More White and Male Than Any First Cabinet Since Reagan’s" with the comment:

This is what a revolution looks like, amirite Berners? Jkkkk you all look like these people.

I should say that was following up on the

two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

― goole

"People I know post" is the new "I heard at church" isn't it

that's a good counterpt fl0p

― goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:21 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ty

imo this is the whole problem with politics on twitter, everything is argumentum ad logicam. you can always find SOMEONE arguing an idiotic version of the ideology you're opposed to. like who the fuck is Eric Garland? who was that lady who wrote the 'no one wants to live in your racist shithole' facebook post? chapo twitter crew survive off the perception that there is this identitarian neoliberal left-baiting cabal when they're just in a bubble that incentivises them to find the shittiest such posts

I believe that kids are going to eventually internalize "you can find somebody on the Internet saying anything" and get past this shit

Us old dogs are probably useless though

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

eric garland's absurd game theory rant was pretty well publicized, it's not like they had to go looking for it

i'm just glad people are finally getting around to realizing what a great record _lolita nation_ is

I just posted that an example of v vocal Hillary supporters still trying to attack Bernie supporters.

It's similar to people doing that "how's that hopey-changey thing working out" thing from 2009 on

you copy pasted a COMMENT to a nytimes article

And I should preface it by saying this is someone I've known for a long time who isn't prone to posting that kinda thing and I would expect better from

you copy pasted a COMMENT to a nytimes article

FB post, tbf

proving my point that this whole crew are scraping the bottom of the rando barrel to find, er, fish to shoot

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

― goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 12:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of many otm goole posts itt

someone needs to burn twitter to the virtual ground.

i never heard this podcast but if it really is people from the incestuous social media left mocking the incestuous social media center-left it sounds worse than waterboarding

You can breathe whenever you want so no

imo this is the whole problem with politics on twitter, everything is argumentum ad logicam. you can always find SOMEONE arguing an idiotic version of the ideology you're opposed to. like who the fuck is Eric Garland? who was that lady who wrote the 'no one wants to live in your racist shithole' facebook post? chapo twitter crew survive off the perception that there is this identitarian neoliberal left-baiting cabal when they're just in a bubble that incentivises them to find the shittiest such posts

― flopson, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude i don't have to look past this very thread to see the exact same stuff although stated perhaps a bit more cogently.

i never heard this podcast but if it really is people from the incestuous social media left mocking the incestuous social media center-left it sounds worse than waterboarding

― Treeship, Friday, January 13, 2017 5:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

case in point, treesh !

going to go to all the ilx threads and say "i have never heard this band but if it really is noisy people clanging garbage racket then it sounds bad"

Gunna be a fun four years

ilm threads even

also to be noted the prime mining areas for Bad Tweets are typically like the director of the Center for American progress, a founder of Vox, the editor of Mother Jones.

this show is goofy cathartic fun centered around bullying dumb pseuds in the media. it owes more to howard stern than anything and I don't think it can really bear the weight of representing an actual political movement but that's not its fault.

otm re: the howard stern comparison. like myself and others upthread have said, it's just a good podcast

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

― goole

fwiw ive agreed with most of what youve posted but this...i feel like we're just exiting in two parallel but different universes right now, because it's not been my experience at all.

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

i will listen to this at some point and they are going for different things obv but this^ really, really makes me appreciate the efforts the uhh yeah dudes go to, really digging deep for not stepped on content

also yet another recorded straight to laptop podcast with shitty sound, wildly varying levels, etc? really? no excuse for this imo, even if you're making bupkes

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

― goole

I've definitely seen random examples of that but maybe because my social media feeds lean far left I'm getting the opposite impression. I know I know "your mentions aren't the election etc" Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support. Hasn't it always been the case that the Bernie people were more anti-Hillary then vice verse? I keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

Tbf, the sound's gotten better, but it ain't where it should be yet. Way too much room echo on Matt's end, for example.

keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

Heh. Move this up the coast a bit and you have Portland and Seattle, too.

Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support

tablet mag just ran a piece about the dangerous anticlinton left, captioned by an extreme closeup of ellison's face, mouth open in apparent rage, howling, coming for you. maybe this is cherrypicking -- glad to hear it if there's more openness to him than i think.

Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

i just don't see this. at the beginning of the primary the centrist attitude to bernie was "lol hippies", just like it always is. maybe a little bit of "how civilized that our inevitable champion will first be toughened by a few friendly war games!" by the end, after he'd actually given clinton something vaguely resembling trouble, it was "we must defeat the secret leader of the misogynistic and probably-racist-somehow hate mob perversely calling itself 'the left'". this has continued.

to be fair that piece in tablet was written by a never trump neocon who starts off the article saying he has voted for republican presidents since 2004 until trump came along

so a hilary voter but not a liberal

yr right. still -- these are the people the center wants a "coalition" with.

(and there aren't very many of them. cf again the infamous schumer remark.)

Weird, it's honestly been the opposite with me. I recall quite a few of his supporters online openly rooting for HRC to get indicted. You know...for the emails. Wikileaks stuff was often shared by both Bernie dead enders along with Trump supporters, even the "she has Parkinson's" "she killed Seth Rich" variety stuff WL pushed.

Bernie supporters are San Francisco.

wrong:

President, Democratic Party
Clinton, Hillary: 55.46%
Sanders, Bernie: 43.81%

http://www.sfexaminer.com/election-june-2016-latest-results/