Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

Her popularity rating only became negative in 2015. At one point she was the most popular politician in the US. So as volatile as they were, their accuracy was hard to know about.

It's not that I'm sure Bernie would have won, but the reasons given for why he "definitely wouldn't" are stupid. "He's a Jewish socialist." So what? Barack Obama is a black man with a muslim father who spent part of his childhood in indonesia and whose middle name is Hussein. "They have opposition research on him." Same is true of every candidate. "He's too far left." Things don't always break down along clear political lines. People respond well to the gut feeling that someone cares about them and that they can trust them. "Bernie Would Have Won" = abandon your truisms about presidential elections, the ones that helped you lose this election.

That post Ian painfully stupid. Barack Obama is the best politician of his generation. Bernie sanders is wish fulfillment candidate for people harboring a fantasy that most of the country is secretely super left wing & we just need to type in the right cheat code

*is painfully stupid

Bernie Sanders is not super left wing, as right-center politician Barack Obama said a couple weeks ago

Like, I agree the Democratic Party should push to the left. I don't agree that pushing to the left will inherently win us elections. It's the right thing to do; it is not intrinsically the way to win

Putin has video of Bernie in a hotel getting up to pee 20 times in one night

lol

Like, I agree the Democratic Party should push to the left. I don't agree that pushing to the left will inherently win us elections. It's the right thing to do; it is not intrinsically the way to win

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, January 13, 2017 10:54 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Of course it won't "inherently" win elections, but neither will continuing to pick "compromise" candidates that very few people actually feel any enthusiasm for!

no thread is safe from this crap apparently

main problem w Clinton was perception that she was corrupt, not that she was too centrist #BidenWouldHaveWon

this thread is one of the circles of hell

NRO: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443804/new-left-dirtbag-left-chapo-trap-house-jacobin-magazine-liberals-democratic-party

Of course it won't "inherently" win elections, but neither will continuing to pick "compromise" candidates that very few people actually feel any enthusiasm for!

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, January 13, 2017 11:06 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And no one here thinks it will

#CarcettiWouldHaveWon

there is an infrastructure surrounding the remnants of HRC's campaign, very influential and well connected, that is committed to absolving itself of any mistakes *and* simultaneously heading off any policy shift in the party.

there is an infrastructure surrounding the remnants of HRC's campaign, very influential and well connected, that is committed to absolving itself of any mistakes *and* simultaneously heading off any policy shift in the party.

― goole

yes yes the curia of the democratic party, sure, but they failed to get hrc elected and they're going to fail to absolve themselves. people are, apparently, finally sick and tired of letting these dirtbags get away with business as usual, at least if reaction to cory booker is anything to go by.

is that reaction amongst "the people" or the people on twitter?

that NRO profile is actually pretty good!

Of course it won't "inherently" win elections, but neither will continuing to pick "compromise" candidates that very few people actually feel any enthusiasm for!

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, January 13, 2017 11:06 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And no one here thinks it will

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, January 13, 2017 12:31 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And one consequence of that realization, among others, should be the realization that being "left" does not PER SE disqualify a candidate, and that the centrist candidate is not PER SE more electable just because s/he is a "compromise." That's the point I am trying to get across.

I mean you're saying "no one thinks it will" but that was exactly the justification we kept hearing for why Clinton was the better candidate.

eh, for every rust belter voter Bernie would have put "in play" with there would probably have been a Virginia voter worried about their taxes going up

didn't know chuck schumer posted here

they're using the most alarming parts of the trump win -- the harassment, the illiberalism, the racism, the links to russo-european nationalism -- as a club to beat anyone who says hillary just might have blown this a little bit. if you say the democrats should and could have done something differently, then you somehow in favor of these forces

the harassment, the illiberalism, the racism, the links to russo-european nationalism

also, butterfly theory

didn't know chuck schumer posted here

he posts as xhuxk sxhumer iirc

lol

love the show but gotta say these dudes and their cadre on twitter seem just a leeetle too sure that a lot of those trump voters aren't really racist and would have so totally voted for Bern. and shit, man, thats just wrong.

― will, Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:23 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally no one on the left - well at least no one were talking about in this thread - is saying bernie would have swayed trump voters, or that a move to the left will turn trump voters into future democrat voters. in fact in one of the post election shows matt made this very point, saying "fuck trump voters", which i think we can all get behind.

trump basically got the same votes as mitt romney, the swing of the dreaded WWC to trump from obama was actually fairly small (although really highlighted in the liberal media, quelle surprise). the "bernie would have won" idea is that perhaps working class people - not just white - would've turned out to vote more than they did if the dem candidate had spoke more to working class economic concerns instead of going for the now infamous chuck schumer strategy: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia".

imo both democrats and republicans have raced to the bottom to get those suburban voters

I could see republicans actually liking a stronger presence further to the left because they'd have a counterpoint to debate against instead of the current neoliberal glut where they're pushing further on stupid positions in order to create a voting bloc. When, in the search of something to stand for, you come up with "strip all the healthcare from people we possibly can" and "guns should be available to all people in all places at all times" your platform is bankrupt

but at least you stand for something!!

i think this is why things like chapo are valuable: the 'infighting' just has to be gotten on with. it can't be avoided, the differences are real.

what are you supposed to do with sentiments like these?

https://twitter.com/smoothkobra/status/819425543464583168

https://twitter.com/carlckitchen/status/819795551822565376

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C16sGQyXEAEyIhR.jpg

this last person worked for newt gingrich for a while! i mean, fine, there's mercenaries in DC, but come on

ftr i don't think the dem primary was 'rigged' or that sanders was cheated out of it or something. HRCs vote margins were unfakeable and his strength in the odder caucus formats was (uh) problematic

sometimes I daydream about an inversion of our current political scenario where the cities are hotbeds of racist right-wing nutjobs murdering each other with their guns and no healthcare, and a minority of leftist voters in the rural heartland actually run the country thx to the institutionalized electoral apportionment flukes of our stupid system

I didn't know Fred had three Twitter accounts, weird.

idk if that Albright lady should be held up as an example of anything because she's so insanely wrong-headed about... pretty much everything

literally no one on the left - well at least no one were talking about in this thread - is saying bernie would have swayed trump voters, or that a move to the left will turn trump voters into future democrat voters.

Lol this is blatantly not true. Scroll up?

xp and that silicon valley woman who was retweeted for her stupid facebook rant that was cross-posted to facebook is straight-up one of those "stupid racists live in the middle of nowhere, fuck em" republicans in democrat clothing

I didn't know Fred had three Twitter accounts, weird.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), 13. januar 2017 19:17 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I get my information from SNL, so I know full well that Clinton could have supported gay marriage earlier, thank you very much.

that NRO profile was surprisingly good! thanks for sharing, simon

is that reaction amongst "the people" or the people on twitter?

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes)

a small minority giving a shit about stuff like this is a big step up from this time last year. also, it's pretty much all the people you actually need.

it might convert a few people who voted out of a will to blow up the system because it gives them nothing

more likely it would attract different people who are marginally attached to politics (for the same reasons) and stayed home

it's more likely that *both* of those slices of people could be motivated by star qualities/likability/charisma that obama had in spades and HRC didn't -- not policy shifts! which is something to keep in mind

xp to d-40

xp and that silicon valley woman who was retweeted for her stupid facebook rant that was cross-posted to facebook is straight-up one of those "stupid racists live in the middle of nowhere, fuck em" republicans in democrat clothing

― mh 😏, Friday, January 13, 2017 12:21 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus yes this woman was police

literally no one on the left - well at least no one were talking about in this thread - is saying bernie would have swayed trump voters, or that a move to the left will turn trump voters into future democrat voters.

Lol this is blatantly not true. Scroll up?

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, January 13, 2017 10:20 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh did some ilx poster say it? they say a lot of things

Bernie is a unique figure in american politics; there's probably no one alive Dems can run with as pure a record as him and left will prob unilaterally hate everyone they run. Booker, Cuomo may be particularly bad but i'm skeptical that these people will be satisfied with someone just a little better

celebrities! don't u read Jeet Heer (lol, like that's a name)

i think we need to distinguish between "democrats who really did fall in love with bernie" and "leftists who were excited that social democracy looked like it had a shot in democratic politics"

sounds like a funny podcast!

(lol, like that's a name)

what is the point of statements like these

I like to listen to podcasts along with audiobooks they pass the time on my commute

Fwiw I think many of us are in agreement but it's kind of a threading the needle thing, and from my experience in whatever my online bubble happens to be, I've been much more resistent to the dirtbag left (speaking of the world they inhabit not the podcast itself)'s self conception as the true leftists or w/e, which I intend not as a critique from the center, but from 1. The (coughs) "identarian left" and 2. A more philosophical argument about the nature of politics as a performance and the left's insistence on an educated/rational "authority" that half the country is quite perceptively dismissive of

insistence on an educated/rational "authority" that half the country is quite perceptively dismissive of

this def sounds like a losing stratagem