Jackie Kennedy biopic (with Natalie Portman) thread

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R Burton singing? xp

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius),

No – Thom Yorke, backed by Jonny Greenwood, David Gray, Suede's Bernard Butler, and Roxy Music's Andy Mackay.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 16:58 (three years ago) link

oh god, the horror

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:06 (three years ago) link


it was burton

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 17:06 (three years ago) link

wasn't impressed by this at all -- clunky script, boring idea, mostly bad acting. natalie was OK and the actor who played JFK was fine in the 1-2 minutes he was onscreen. cringed at a lot of the dialogue. perhaps this wasn't what the film set out to do but i was struck by how empty the actual content of the film was, completely free of any insights into the kennedy administration beyond what you'd get from a vanity fair cover story. there was nothing remotely RFK-ish about the way peter sarsgaard played RFK -- if she hadn't kept calling him "bobby," i probably wouldn't have even figured out who he was right away.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:24 (three years ago) link

one of Larrain's tropes is how media figures create their own reality (re: No, Neruda, possibly The Club). My problem with Jackie is that in the squid ink cloud of its framing and anachronistic post-modern script it advances an idea of Jackie K and the Kennedys that I find risible. I don't give a fuck about this savvy airhead, her clever airhead president-husband, and his aborted presidency.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 21:30 (three years ago) link

The guy who played JFK was Danish! And while he wasn't impressive, aside from his lookalike qualities, I liked how little he was in the film, and how he always seemed to enter the image unexpectedly. Like a ghost, see?

I'm curious to see what idea you think the film made about the JFK administration, Alfred. I really don't think the film accepts the hagiography, even the scenes where JFK is alive seems to depict a mostly dull and shallow reality - and in the shot of Jackie getting off the plane in Dalles she seems almost on the verge of an anxiety attack. When Bobby dissects it he also complains that they didn't get to do anything - and manages to sound like a moron when he complains LBJ will get all the glory from Vietnam. I think Larrain mostly sees the work of creating history as being hellish and awful - there's a scene in Post Mortem of the two main characters a couple days before the coup, sitting quietly, neither of them with any opinion on what's happening, and then both of them breaking down in tears, as if they're so sad that something has to happen, and won't leave them alone - and yeah, films like No and Jackie says that it's mostly all myths anyway.

I'm also really curious as to what JD and Brad means by terms such as 'content' and 'text'. The film is mostly its aesthetic, that is by far the most important part of it. There's not some underlying layer which is the real film.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 22:23 (three years ago) link

But admittedly a big part of my love for the film has more to do with the incredible light, colors, sunset and fog that is in it. As it is with most films.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 22:26 (three years ago) link

sorry i was using "content" a bit lazily -- i really just meant that there was basically nothing about the actual kennedy administration in this film, to the point that i think ppl with no prior knowledge would come away knowing basically nothing except that JFK died and everyone was sad.

that RFK speech was so ludicrous, sounded more like an atlantic writer's take on JFK's legacy than a grieving brother's.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 22:36 (three years ago) link

The lighting accentuates the reconstruction of a fictive past. It's the best element.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 22:41 (three years ago) link

my favorite scene is "natalie portman grieves and puts on 3-4 dresses in a row"

followed by "Natalie Portman lights sixth cigarette in 90 seconds."

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:56 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my dream life

surm, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 22:48 (three years ago) link

do we get to see JFK's head explode like a pumpkin?

akm, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 22:56 (three years ago) link

The lighting accentuates the reconstruction of a fictive past. It's the best element.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), 11. januar 2017 23:41 (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

At times it has exactly the same colors as in this old book from the sixties about JFK that my grandparents had, that I used to sift through. It's a lot like the use of Sony U-matic in No.

The list, btw, because lists are awesome:

1) El Club
2) Jackie
3) Post Mortem
4) No
5) Tony Manero

And Neruda will play here in the summer, and I should watch Fuga at some point.

(also, no, there is next to nothing on the JFK administration, but tbf Jackie wasn't part of the administration, so that's kinda hard to blame the film for in my view)

Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 23:00 (three years ago) link

The guy who played JFK was Danish!

I thought you mean Peter Sarsgaard, he's got to be Danish somewhere down the line.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 23:03 (three years ago) link

Wiki says two paternal great-great-grandparents. It's not a Danish surname, though, so I would have guessed Sweden.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 23:08 (three years ago) link

ay freddy b tony manero is no way 5th on the list jesus

also fuga apparently is crap

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 23:15 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

ach, really wasn't that keen on Neruda at all. the whole meta thing fell a bit flat for me, and the chase aspect of it was without any sort of jeopardy or urgency to make it seem remotely compelling

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 January 2017 20:19 (three years ago) link

chilean press prosaically and provincially annoyed at the depiction of neruda

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 January 2017 20:20 (three years ago) link

I should never see a film on a Friday night--may have nodded off for about 10 minutes early on. I'd like to watch it again at home a few months from now. I found the conception of Jackie Kennedy as really caustic and embittered--things like her line about de Gaulle on a tank--but drifting in and out of her prescribed and more proper role intriguing, and some of the visuals were nice.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 January 2017 02:42 (three years ago) link

Neruda's the better film, but not by much. Weirdly minor.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 January 2017 02:59 (three years ago) link

One of the weirdest things in Jackie: early on--maybe it's the first time she speaks in the recreation of the White House Tour interview--it's hard not to notice how much she sounds like Marilyn Monroe, and right then you hear her say something about the Monroe Room.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 January 2017 13:45 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

not sure where else to post this

saw Larrain’s Tony Manero yesterday. I thought it was just going to be a dark comedy about a man with a John Travolta / Saturday Night Fever obsession.

I guess you could call it a black comedy but it turned out to be barbarous and unsettling, with a memorable final scene

Dan S, Sunday, 8 September 2019 00:06 (nine months ago) link

Post Mortem was also interesting. It was apparently filmed in a 2.66:1 aspect ratio using Lomo lenses on 16mm film, and had beautiful subdued colors

didn't love this quite as much, but the final scene was as memorable as the one in Tony Manero

Dan S, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 02:36 (nine months ago) link

No is a little more conventional as a film than Tony Manero or Post Mortem

Dan S, Sunday, 29 September 2019 22:40 (nine months ago) link

I’m really impressed by Alfredo Castro after seeing three films featuring him now

Dan S, Sunday, 29 September 2019 22:41 (nine months ago) link

Castro is very good! Check out From Afar as well, it has gorgeous cinematography by Sergio Armstrong (Larrain's usual photographer) and a great part for Castro.

No was the first I saw of Larrain, and I kind of dismissed him as a crafty stylist. Then I saw El Club and loved it. No still seems funny, feel good and slight tome, but I like it a bit more, since it really is funny. It also helps that it's a bit removed from the hype of 'this TRUE STORY shows the power of advertising!' which but me off at the time. Now it seems more in line with Larrain's interest in storytelling and how it shapes our lives.

Frederik B, Sunday, 29 September 2019 23:11 (nine months ago) link

I’ve been continuing to watch his films. I just saw El Club. Like Tony Manero and Post Mortem it is solemn but also incredibly savage and strange. It also has beautiful photography, with back-lit washed-out images

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:06 (eight months ago) link

will watch From Afar

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:07 (eight months ago) link

A story about institutionalization of denial. The pious moral compromise of the final scene in El Club is another subtly shocking ending for Larrain, it seems like a signature for him

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 02:44 (eight months ago) link

haven't rewatched Jackie yet, but Neruda seems so much more watered down and conventional than his earlier films

Dan S, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 04:15 (eight months ago) link

Nooooo! It has one of my best new filmic ideas, the way that scenes are cut between so many locations, and in the beginning you don't really notice it, because films sometimes do that, but then in the climactic conversation Gael Garcia Bernal all of a sudden notices that he is moving between between places every cut! Because the past is an unstable construction! I love Neruda, kinda thinks it's his magnum opus.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 07:31 (eight months ago) link

i didn't really enjoy neruda that much either. i think either tony manero or no are my favourite of larrain's films.

no feels extra relevant this week obviously

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 16:21 (eight months ago) link

will have to see Neruda again

Jackie seems better to me than it did the first time I saw it

Dan S, Thursday, 31 October 2019 00:10 (eight months ago) link

didn't notice that aspect of Neruda tbh

Tony Manero, Post Mortem, El Club were so good

Dan S, Thursday, 31 October 2019 00:16 (eight months ago) link

Jackie gives a sense of how constantly Jackie Kennedy was watched

Dan S, Thursday, 31 October 2019 00:54 (eight months ago) link

six months pass...

Ema is v good

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 2 May 2020 11:33 (two months ago) link

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