Drag City

it's an affectation to not want to give away your product for free now?

DC shunning streaming services is cool w/ me -- there are a million ways to check out an artist's stuff if you need a sample. not including mp3s w/ vinyl purchases seems like they're just being curmudgeonly.

it's an affectation to not want to give away your product for free now?

this seems like an intentionally misleading reposing of the question, but sure, I'll bite. whoever you are, your music is presently available for free. not doing d/l codes with vinyl is tight-fisted and an affectation that inconveniences the people supporting you by buying the vinyl, and hosting the d/l code files for download isn't costly enough to justify being a shithead about it.

not putting your artists' music on streaming services -- a separate question -- deprives them of the small quarterly checks they might otherwise get, because plenty of people are just going to grab the motherfuckers by searching the band name + .rar instead, but the q is moot because I'm certain this is specified in any contract you sign w/dc so it's on you if you don't want yr (paltry! don't get me wrong! you do not get paid well for letting people have 24-hour-a-day access to your music on Spotify!) payment from the streaming bros.

where was that quote about how a majority of download codes are never used?

pretty sad if Spotify is your first and last stop for all new musical discoveries.

This is silly.

drag city bandcamp would be good

agreed, and then they could only stream one song per album if they wanted, or none.

we had a very similar chat on the bitchin bajas thread a while back.

and look - not a single bb track on their soundcloud.

tbh, i have given up caring now.

I bought the bitchin bajas/BPB collab vinyl unheard and was not disappointed

yeah i know that got a lot of love,
but i am more interested in the non-collab material.
but as i said, i am over it now.

where was that quote about how a majority of download codes are never used?

I think it was in Numero Group's announcement that they'd no longer be doing download codes - they reckoned only 5% were redeemed. I wonder if that's 5% of codes in all inventory purchased, or 5% of all the codes issued for a release?

I know that Fat Cat have stopped including codes (as of the recent C Duncan album).

I see both sides of the argument here. I don't mind that DC releases aren't on Spotify, etc, in full, but it is useful to be able to check out a track or two. The lack of download codes is more of an issue for me - it's nice to have the convenience of a digital version. If I know upfront there won't be a code I generally just go for the CD - Drag City or anyone else.

not putting your artists' music on streaming services...deprives them of the small quarterly checks they might otherwise get

yeah, you're right, Purling Hiss could probably really use that check to almost afford an oil change for their van

xp ordered some things last month from numero and they sent along a code to download mp3s immediately. is it a 2017 thing? or did they just mean they wouldn't include a piece of paper with a download code with vinyl. i definitely like ordering a physical album and being able to hear the music right away ...

(it's been said before, but) the biggest impediment for me in keeping up with DC are those unreadable email updates. just no excuse.

xp If you order direct you get a download, I think.

Re: Numero - Yep, direct orders get an instant download but they'll no longer include the bit of paper with the vinyl.

yeah, you're right, Purling Hiss could probably really use that check to almost afford an oil change for their van

I can't speak for Purling Hiss, but if you offer me the following proposition: "people get your music for free and you get nothing, or people still get your music for free and you get five bucks," I'm not so steely in my principles that I'm gonna say "KEEP YOUR FILTHY LUCRE, DON'T YOU SEE THERE ARE DEEPER THINGS IN PLAY HERE"

still think a method of unlocking albums on streaming platforms would be cooler than download codes. Don't want to manage any local digital content.

doesn't bandcamp kinda offer that via their app?

What... since when did Numero ever do download codes? I thought they were one of the labels that never did that...

at least a coupla years -- you order from their website and they send you an email w/ info about DL-ing mp3s.

Oh, but there was never any paper slip in the vinyl as was implied above?

i don't remember -- i think i've just gotten an email about having "downloads waiting" or something ...

Guess I was always out of luck getting their LPs from brick and mortar.

got no use for a DL code that doesn't offer FLAC files, I'll just rip the damn vinyl myself instead of dealing with MP3s (let's not derail this thread, they sound like shit to my ears and I am not interested in yr arguments to the contrary). Numero is a big offender in this regard. I just bought a $45 Unwound box set, give me the fucking FLACs.

this is one reason why I like Bandcamp

drag city puts out some great fucking records -- looking forward to the new Alasdair Roberts LP! And Six Organs!

Bitchin Bajas are one of my favorite acts on there, they're highly recommended. Some of their (non Drag City) stuff is even on Spotify! Wow!

did you check this out? pretty neat! http://sweetblahg.tumblr.com/post/154773932543/bitchin-bajas-in-c-2016

the 2016 Rangda album on DC is also excellent fwiw

yeah i think i underrated that one at first, but i was playing it a bit last month and it is awesome.

I like it much more than album #2

these posts are pretty good. just wish they could be read to me on spotify.

by wimmel's uncool cousins

ILM would be much better if it was just a Pandora station tbh.

Howling Hex's Denver record from 2016 is very solid too -- might be my fave from his current phase, a little more varied, anyway. I just saw the Hex playing a weird afternoon residency (i think global did too!) last month. at a wine bar kinda place!

bill callahan + will oldham alone probably make DC one of my favorite labels tbh. other stuff is great too

ooh thx for the link to In C!!

ha yea listening now too, thanks

rangda
ali roberts
6 organs
bbs

these are some of my favorite people making records today, so i am glad to support them
bandcamp is (imo) DC's best bet for satisfying longterm reliable customers (like me) and allowing weenie freeloaders (spotify cousins) to hear in order to form an opinion
beyond that, it's not really my decision to make and i have been buying DC records for what seems like forever

xxxp I listen to bill's kath bloom cover on spotify all of the time to help me cope

annual In C performance is always a good time, hope they keep it up!

I think Spotify Cousins are signed to Jagjaguwar, not Drag City

maybe Sacred Bones

i should really give rangda a listen, those SRB albums are some of my favorite guitar records ever, i love those early six organs albums a lot too

Wimmels' cousins could be Link Wray

Only Wimmels knows the degree to which we're burnt

Congratulations: you are my uncool cousins, Bjork and Roy Orbison

xp new 6O has Chris Corsano on it too, he is awesome (and part of what I love about Rangda)

i probably said this on the BBs thread, but part of the reason i think Drag City not being on streaming is good is that it miiiiiiight make "uncool cousins" realize that there is a world of music out there that isn't just spotifiable. and that might generate a little interest in the world outside of the computer. or it might just generate more insufferable snobs like us, probably.

it is not difficult to make music that is unspotifiable. I don't understand how this is a good or impressive thing.

it's the coolest!