Drag City

Not on Spotify either, good work dudes

I'm sure the business side of it is problematic, but at this point it's gotta be a huge drawback promotion-wise to not be on Spotify - in the long run the exposure their artists would gain on Spotify must be pretty valuable

That's what I'm saying. I mean, I want to hear the new Axis: Sova LP they did, but I'm not dropping $27 without hearing it first, so I may wind up illegally downloading it.

I support this label and their way of doing biz. I like the fact that they don't (have to) give a shit. Sure, it bums me out that I have to illegally download albums I bought on vinyl (though I do so without guilt), but lord knows there are plenty of other things to listen to on Spotify, Youtube, etc. I don't know if they are 'taking a stand' (Spotify rips off artists, etc) or just not bothering to expand the empire or whatever, but either way I'm in full support.

I understand why they do things this way, but it's definitely a tradeoff and as a result I just wind up thinking about Drag City a lot less often because they don't come up in the main channels I use for checking out music.

xp: hey... great. I don't really get what there is to support there and it doesn't seem so much a badass attitude as blindness to the modern era, but cool!

i get how this is annoying but it's hard to argue against it without sounding entitled and annoying. waah waah why isn't all your music free

https://soundcloud.com/drag-city btw

it's annoying but whatever. they are a good label

i just want bill callahan to release new music though

I don't really get what there is to support

maybe that's the problem?

If you're illegally downloading their albums are you supporting them? You should really be paying for the LP and download, that's their model.

And if you have to blind-buy albums at $25+ each to find out they're mediocre, too bad, I guess, you gotta support the label?

You should really be paying for the LP and download, that's their model

This is not their model. I've never gotten an LP w a download from them.

They are a great label that puts out good stuff. I support what they do.

in the long run the exposure their artists would gain on Spotify must be pretty valuable

Not really.

"and also the download, if you want a digital version"

(just to clarify)

Anyway I'm glad they're still a label, sure, I just think they're being dumb about the way they deal with digital stuff. If disagreeing with that means I'm not supporting them that's fine. I'll buy stuff they put out that I like, I'll try to check out the stuff I don't know, I think it's stupid to drive your customers to illegally download albums to have digital copies but I'll do that if I have to.

i get how this is annoying but it's hard to argue against it without sounding entitled and annoying. waah waah why isn't all your music free

― na (NA), Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:20 AM (fourteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i can't really hate on them for that, but the fact of the matter is that it means i don't hear stuff on drag city. i just posted on another thread that i didn't even realize there was a new high llamas album. didn't bother with the new papa m album or the last couple of laetitia sadier records, despite liking their stuff in the past. hardly know anything about bitchin' bajas despite suspecting i might like them. etc. i did pay for downloads of the latest jim o'rourke and joanna newsom albums, which i guess is what they're banking on.

really not fucking hard to find audio samples of drag city albums you might be interested in
jfc spotify is fucking garbage and has made you simpletons

yup v helpful thx

^^entitled shitbag

Not really.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, January 5, 2017 5:09 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there is no questioning ur logicz

velko, are you DC street team or something?

still, pretty sad if Spotify is your first and last stop for all new musical discoveries. Congratulations: you are my uncool cousins

sorry hawkz, obv uncalled for ott response from me *makes drinky-drinky motion*
this argument is tedious in 2017 tho
in fact, you might even call it a......drag

I guess it's a tedious argument but it's also kinda...I mean dc's position is rather an affectation here. it's like refusing to release yr movie to netflix or w/e because IT SHOULD BE SEEN IN THE THEATER

it's an affectation to not want to give away your product for free now?

DC shunning streaming services is cool w/ me -- there are a million ways to check out an artist's stuff if you need a sample. not including mp3s w/ vinyl purchases seems like they're just being curmudgeonly.

it's an affectation to not want to give away your product for free now?

this seems like an intentionally misleading reposing of the question, but sure, I'll bite. whoever you are, your music is presently available for free. not doing d/l codes with vinyl is tight-fisted and an affectation that inconveniences the people supporting you by buying the vinyl, and hosting the d/l code files for download isn't costly enough to justify being a shithead about it.

not putting your artists' music on streaming services -- a separate question -- deprives them of the small quarterly checks they might otherwise get, because plenty of people are just going to grab the motherfuckers by searching the band name + .rar instead, but the q is moot because I'm certain this is specified in any contract you sign w/dc so it's on you if you don't want yr (paltry! don't get me wrong! you do not get paid well for letting people have 24-hour-a-day access to your music on Spotify!) payment from the streaming bros.

where was that quote about how a majority of download codes are never used?

pretty sad if Spotify is your first and last stop for all new musical discoveries.

This is silly.

drag city bandcamp would be good

agreed, and then they could only stream one song per album if they wanted, or none.

we had a very similar chat on the bitchin bajas thread a while back.

and look - not a single bb track on their soundcloud.

tbh, i have given up caring now.

I bought the bitchin bajas/BPB collab vinyl unheard and was not disappointed

yeah i know that got a lot of love,
but i am more interested in the non-collab material.
but as i said, i am over it now.

where was that quote about how a majority of download codes are never used?

I think it was in Numero Group's announcement that they'd no longer be doing download codes - they reckoned only 5% were redeemed. I wonder if that's 5% of codes in all inventory purchased, or 5% of all the codes issued for a release?

I know that Fat Cat have stopped including codes (as of the recent C Duncan album).

I see both sides of the argument here. I don't mind that DC releases aren't on Spotify, etc, in full, but it is useful to be able to check out a track or two. The lack of download codes is more of an issue for me - it's nice to have the convenience of a digital version. If I know upfront there won't be a code I generally just go for the CD - Drag City or anyone else.

not putting your artists' music on streaming services...deprives them of the small quarterly checks they might otherwise get

yeah, you're right, Purling Hiss could probably really use that check to almost afford an oil change for their van

xp ordered some things last month from numero and they sent along a code to download mp3s immediately. is it a 2017 thing? or did they just mean they wouldn't include a piece of paper with a download code with vinyl. i definitely like ordering a physical album and being able to hear the music right away ...

(it's been said before, but) the biggest impediment for me in keeping up with DC are those unreadable email updates. just no excuse.

xp If you order direct you get a download, I think.

Re: Numero - Yep, direct orders get an instant download but they'll no longer include the bit of paper with the vinyl.

yeah, you're right, Purling Hiss could probably really use that check to almost afford an oil change for their van

I can't speak for Purling Hiss, but if you offer me the following proposition: "people get your music for free and you get nothing, or people still get your music for free and you get five bucks," I'm not so steely in my principles that I'm gonna say "KEEP YOUR FILTHY LUCRE, DON'T YOU SEE THERE ARE DEEPER THINGS IN PLAY HERE"

still think a method of unlocking albums on streaming platforms would be cooler than download codes. Don't want to manage any local digital content.

doesn't bandcamp kinda offer that via their app?

What... since when did Numero ever do download codes? I thought they were one of the labels that never did that...

at least a coupla years -- you order from their website and they send you an email w/ info about DL-ing mp3s.

Oh, but there was never any paper slip in the vinyl as was implied above?

i don't remember -- i think i've just gotten an email about having "downloads waiting" or something ...

Guess I was always out of luck getting their LPs from brick and mortar.