My wife and I did go. Feedel did most of the first set themselves, except for one song with an un-named female singer (who wasn't bad). Feedel, per an interview I did with them (plus based on my hearing of them), are trying to modernize Ethio-jazz, but it ends up sounding like generic American jazz. The problem is not that they are doing more current modern jazz, its that they are not adding anything unique to it. When Girma came out they switched into backing him on his catalogue of old-school Ethio-jazz that was more rhythmically interesting than the jazz that Feedel was doing without him. Plus Girma sang on some tunes and his old-fashioned jazzy and r'n'b and Ethio melodies helped keep things lively.
We also talked to him again. A sweet, humble interesting guy. He will have an album out backed by a French band later this month.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 2 January 2017 20:44 (two years ago) Permalink
Kofi Agawu, PhD, Professor of Music, Princeton University Professor Agawu will speak about his new book, The African Imagination in Music, with a special focus on chapter 4, “The Rhyhmic Imagination in African Music.”
On Thursday night January 26th this guy will be speaking for free at the Library of Congress. Has anyone heard of him or his new book? I haven't
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:34 (two years ago) Permalink
Lots of folks are in NYC now for a music conference and showcase for concert presenters. Been seeing some nice video clips on Facebook. There 's a multi-act bill at SOBs tonight
Guadeloupe dancehall singer Admiral T plus Cuban dance band SEPTETO SANTIAGUERO and Christiane Obydol (zouk musician) and Garifuna Band and more
― curmudgeon, Monday, 9 January 2017 20:49 (two years ago) Permalink
This took place already--
― curmudgeon, Monday, 9 January 2017 21:09 (two years ago) Permalink
a list of hits by region and country, pulled from music streaming app Spotify's most popular domestic songs of 2016 and culture blogs like OkayAfrica, BollywoodLife and EgyptianStreets.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 9 January 2017 21:30 (two years ago) Permalink
Pareles of the Times liked Betsayda Machado y la Parranda el Clavo from Venezuela plus many more
Ssing Ssing, from Korea, drew its songs and vocal style from Korean folk tradition, but transmogrified them by way of glam-rock, disco and psychedelia: an irreverent but intriguing hybrid
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 11 January 2017 15:51 (two years ago) Permalink
I missed Ghana's Jojo Abot for free at the Kennedy Center Millennium Stage last night
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 January 2017 15:50 (two years ago) Permalink
video of her gig is there and on Youtube
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 January 2017 16:08 (two years ago) Permalink
I need to check out the Batida gig from there .
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:56 (two years ago) Permalink
Longtime Afghan singer Ustad Farida Mahwash, the first female singer there to get the title "Ustad", has been living in California since the 90s after getting asylum after she was threatened with assassination. She is going to be in DC Friday through Sunday doing a bunch of free duet gigs with Khalil Ragheb on vocals and harmonium.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:59 (two years ago) Permalink
She was impressive live.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 05:33 (two years ago) Permalink
I watched some of the above referenced appearance by NY based Ghanaian's Jojo Abot. Eh, she 's ok. Kinda wants to be Erykah Badu
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 January 2017 18:00 (two years ago) Permalink
Batida is always great, Betsayda Machado y la Parranda el Clavo were one of globalfest's high points.And so were Ssing Ssing! Fierce!
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Thursday, 19 January 2017 18:42 (two years ago) Permalink
Just watched some video of afro-Venezuelan singing and percussion ensemble Betsayda Machado y la Parranda el Clavo at the Kennedy Center Millennium Stage. Good stuff
― curmudgeon, Friday, 20 January 2017 17:54 (two years ago) Permalink
Nguyên Lê & Ngô Hồng Quang - Về Đồi Nonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mrcrVTMbMs
― this device is capable of killing you without warning (Sanpaku), Saturday, 21 January 2017 18:51 (two years ago) Permalink
Orchestra Baobab are back. 3 gigs in the UK from the end of this month through February and then an album in March
― curmudgeon, Monday, 23 January 2017 16:15 (two years ago) Permalink
cool! let me know if you see them doing an nyc play?
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 00:52 (one year ago) Permalink
First single from the new Orchestra Baobab album
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 04:58 (one year ago) Permalink
4 folks voted for Noura Mint Seymali's album Arbina in the Voice critics poll
1 vote for this Brazilian effort:
Cesar Lacerda & Romulo Froes, O Meu Nome E Qualquer Um (ybmusic)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 21:10 (one year ago) Permalink
How many of them from this thread :p
― Mordy, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 21:19 (one year ago) Permalink
At least 2, don't know 2
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 21:29 (one year ago) Permalink
Fatou Seidi Ghali & Alamnou Akrouni, Les Filles de Illighadad Sahel Sounds
This North African effort got 5 album votes-- 1 person who used to be here a bit, and don't know about the other 4
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 January 2017 01:11 (one year ago) Permalink
Gqom Oh! the Sound of Durban got a vote from Whiney. It's a bit more clubby than most stuff on this thread
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 January 2017 01:33 (one year ago) Permalink
the ghali/akrouni just missed my top 10 but i voted for it in the ilx poll
― Mordy, Thursday, 26 January 2017 02:04 (one year ago) Permalink
i forgot to vote in the ilx poll
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 January 2017 05:54 (one year ago) Permalink
I like the Seymali album more than the Fatou Seidi Ghali & Alamnou Akrouni, one. More energetic
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 28 January 2017 06:21 (one year ago) Permalink
Artsy avante samba singer Elza Soares got 8 votes in the Voice critics poll.
Balafon player Aly Keita whom I had not heard of, got a vote for his collaboration with jazz musicians and others
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 28 January 2017 16:36 (one year ago) Permalink
A-WA got 3 votes including a chuck eddy vote
― Mordy, Saturday, 28 January 2017 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink
Saudi Arabian pop
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 February 2017 17:55 (one year ago) Permalink
That Elza Soares album is great. There's decades of non-artsy samba material by her to check up on, too.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 3 February 2017 11:07 (one year ago) Permalink
Will check out her older stuff. Thanks.
It looks like nobody voted for any Brazilian albums in the ILX album poll. I was gonna submit my Voice poll albums and add more, but, doh, I forgot the deadline and did not vote at all.
Noura Mint Seymali got 1 album voter, it appears. Most of the album votes were for Yanks and Brits.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 February 2017 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink
Nigerian afropopper Kiss Daniel of "Mama" fame got one album vote. I like that album too. It has some musical aspects that fans of more trad Nigerian sounds should like
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 February 2017 17:52 (one year ago) Permalink
The attention Noura Mint Seymali has been getting here inspired me to dust off this well-produced 2000 CD (Praise Songs) by Ooleya Mint Amartichitt:
It's more strictly traditional though. (At least I think. Not as if I kow the history of Mauritanian music.)
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 3 February 2017 17:59 (one year ago) Permalink
x-post-- It looks like Brazilian Elza Soares got at least one album vote in ilx poll, but not enough to place in top 77 albums
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 February 2017 19:08 (one year ago) Permalink
― Mordy, Friday, 3 February 2017 20:02 (one year ago) Permalink
I read the ILX poll-related comments on what countries the top 77 artists are from. Noura is the only artist from Mauritania, and one of the few from the whole African continent to place in the top 77.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 February 2017 21:49 (one year ago) Permalink
I finally saw Brooklyn-based Alsarah and the Nubatones. She's from Sudan. Mostly good Sudanese Nubian dance-pop, although some songs could use stronger melodies and have more interesting rhythmic and harmonic touches. The openers Huda and Kamyar kinda stole the show. They are a DC-based duo with Palestinian electric oud player & singer Huda on vocals and Iranian Kamyar on daf (a large trashcan lid size but bigger percussion instrument). I think they have some music on soundcloud
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 February 2017 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink
Omar Souleyman US tour may not happen
Now that the order is in limbo, Tosti is not sure what to do. Neither is immigration lawyer Matthew Covey, who heads a U.S. nonprofit called Tamizdat that advocates for foreign artists and helps facilitate their visa applications.
"For the arts, it's really not a resolution at all," Covey asserts. "Because at least for performing arts programmers, the temporary restraining order is just that. We don't know when or if it will disappear, and we'll go back to the ban. So if you're running a performing arts organization here in the U.S., and you're trying to figure out who to book for June, July, even for March — there are very few presenters who are going to risk contracting with an artist from one of the seven countries now for any point in the foreseeable future."
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 13:37 (one year ago) Permalink
[THIS EVENT HAS BEEN CANCELLED. Oliver and his band weren't allowed into Seattle; the band's working visas were denied by new embassy staff. Apparently, the embassy is not honoring applications accepted under the previous presidential administration. Columbia City Theater will soon be announcing further explanations and issuing refunds.]
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:03 (one year ago) Permalink
During the first chaotic weekend after Trump's decree, the wildly popular Iranian singing star Googoosh was among those afraid she wouldn't be allowed back into the U.S. – where she has lived for more than a decade – from London, where she'd been recording. "She was distraught and distressed," says her lawyer Sourash Shahram. "She felt history was repeating itself, almost like a déjà vu." In 1980, while en route to Tehran from London, Googoosh got a phone call telling her not to go back to Iran, where the Ayatollah Khomeini had banned all non-religious women from singing.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:07 (one year ago) Permalink
yeah, i know a number of bookers that are furious
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 20:08 (one year ago) Permalink
New Yasmine Hamdan! Album 'Al Jamilat; out March 17th. <3
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 February 2017 11:29 (one year ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, I remember her.
Tinariwen's new album comes out tomorrow.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:15 (one year ago) Permalink
Vusi Mahlasela is playing World Cafe Live here soon - have any of you seen him live? Should I try to go?
― Mordy, Friday, 10 February 2017 19:21 (one year ago) Permalink
It’s the forgotten place. Lying between the mountains of northwest Tunisia and the Algerian border, the Bargou valley and the village named after it lie isolated, away from the world. It’s poor, barren country, but standing apart, Bargou has developed its own culture that had never been documented until Nidhal Yahyaoui began the task. Born in the valley, he grew up hearing his parents and family sing the songs that belong to the region, and he was determined that the music and traditions shouldn’t slip away into obscurity. With Targ, the album he’s made with his band Bargou 08, Yahyaoui has perfectly fused the past and the present to place Bargou on the map.“Nidhal began collecting songs from all over the valley more than ten years ago,” explains producer and keyboard player Sofyann Ben Youssef, who’s known Yahyaoui since they were both ten years old. “No one had ever done that before. He listened to the women, to the village elders, and he learned all the variations on the songs. This is his passion, and he asked me to join him.”
“Nidhal began collecting songs from all over the valley more than ten years ago,” explains producer and keyboard player Sofyann Ben Youssef, who’s known Yahyaoui since they were both ten years old. “No one had ever done that before. He listened to the women, to the village elders, and he learned all the variations on the songs. This is his passion, and he asked me to join him.”
this is awesome btw
― Mordy, Sunday, 12 February 2017 03:54 (one year ago) Permalink
wow ... yeah it is. thx for posting, Mordy.
― alpine static, Sunday, 12 February 2017 08:49 (one year ago) Permalink
It is, Targ is definitely one of my favorites this year so far. Glitterbeat on a roll again.
― maarten, Sunday, 12 February 2017 12:37 (one year ago) Permalink
Saved that one. Also found this video of the same piece. Is that a kind of ney?
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 February 2017 13:59 (one year ago) Permalink
I think the singer is playing a gunbri?
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 February 2017 14:12 (one year ago) Permalink
that track is fly as fuck
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Monday, 13 February 2017 18:58 (one year ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PddVGz6oXNgRuba Shamshoum is a Dublin based Palestinian singer, her Shamat album is absolute top stuff.
― calzino, Friday, 17 November 2017 11:03 (one year ago) Permalink
Will check it out. I was up in a NYC over the weekend and a street vendor was blasting North African/Moroccan rai like music, but I foolishly didn't stop to ask him specifically what it was.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 20 November 2017 05:36 (one year ago) Permalink
Rahim Alhaj “Letters from Iraq” sounds good in a traditional oud way
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 November 2017 03:45 (one year ago) Permalink
The Alhaj album is pretty melancholy
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:59 (one year ago) Permalink
31. Songhoy Blues - Résistance
Rolling Stone's #31 album of the year. I liked some of it, but the more I listened the more I found it uneven
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 November 2017 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink
That Ruba Shamshoum album has some French cabaret sounding aspects plus traces of current pop
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 30 November 2017 03:26 (one year ago) Permalink
Bodega Pop has reactivated: http://bodegapop.blogspot.com
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 30 November 2017 07:32 (one year ago) Permalink
Yes, that's good news. That blog finds cool cassettes in bodegas in Astoria, Queens and parts of Brooklyn, NY.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 30 November 2017 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink
Was underwhelmed by Ifriqiyya Electrique album Ruwahine (Sufi music from Tunisia gone post-punk) on this jazz and more list, but am curious about the Teddy Afro album and others
― curmudgeon, Friday, 1 December 2017 03:09 (one year ago) Permalink
The post-punk parts of Ifriqiyya are what disappoint me. Kind of rote.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 2 December 2017 17:34 (one year ago) Permalink
But Quietus loves it, and put it at 20 on their 2017 year in review list
20: Rûwâhîne - Ifriqiyya Electrique
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 December 2017 16:23 (one year ago) Permalink
Wire magazine 2017 list:
Mahmoud Gania - Colours of the Night
Posthumous release from Moroccan sinter/lute player who has been on a Pharoah Sanders album and a James Holden one
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 December 2017 21:57 (one year ago) Permalink
Saw a Davido song on the Fader top 100 song list.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:12 (one year ago) Permalink
Includes Oumou Sangaré, Orchesta Baobab, & the Trio da Kali w/ Kronos Quartet album
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:20 (one year ago) Permalink
F Roots list-
Eliza Carthy & The Wayward Band- Big MachineRhiannon Giddens-Freedom HighwayLisa Knapp-Til April Is DeadLankum-Between The Earth And SkyLeveret-InventionsOffa Rex-Queen of HeartsOrchestra Baobab-Tribute To Ndiouga DiengOumou Sangare-MogoyaSaz’iso-At Least Wave Your Handkerchief At MeTrio Da Kali & Kronos Quartet-Ladilikan
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink
Davido, Mokoomba, Trio Da Kali and more
― curmudgeon, Friday, 8 December 2017 18:36 (one year ago) Permalink
Andy Beta for Pitchfork on A new compilation from Habibi Funk highlights the old and interweaving sounds of Algerian coladera, Lebanese AOR, Egyptian disco, Moroccan funk and more.
I haven't heard it yet
― curmudgeon, Monday, 11 December 2017 15:31 (one year ago) Permalink
Zimbabwe's Jah Prayzah
Everyone, from the elderly to kindergartners, can be heard in the streets singing songs from Kutonga Kwaro, the album Prayzah released Oct. 13 — almost exactly one month prior to Mugabe's ouster.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 11 December 2017 16:48 (one year ago) Permalink
Quirky rough-edged Brit folkie Richard Dawson seems more popular with critics in year-end polls than any other non-American genre representatives. Neither old-school or new-school African sounds or Latino ones or Caribbean ones, or even Afro-Brit grime ones have gotten anywhere near the support that Dawson has (which of course still pales in comparison to US based indie and rap)
― curmudgeon, Monday, 11 December 2017 19:57 (one year ago) Permalink
Dawson seems more popular than metal or jazz acts from anywhere too
― curmudgeon, Monday, 11 December 2017 19:58 (one year ago) Permalink
I am referring to the year end lists thread:
Richard Dawson is 1st on Quietus list, 2nd on Wire's and now another top ten position on Cracked's, damn, who would have thunk.
― damosuzuki, Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:45 PM (six
― curmudgeon, Monday, 11 December 2017 20:00 (one year ago) Permalink
For those compiling your year-end lists, this playlist includes all the available tracks on this thread, organized roughly chronologically in order of mention:
ILM's 2017 Rolling Global Sounds Thread Spotify Playlist
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 01:54 (one year ago) Permalink
I tried some of that Dawson album and it was unlistenable. I think it might make me physically ill to listen to the whole thing. I don't know why. curmudgeon, speaking of American indie, you should try that Melkbelly album. Granted, I don't have enough of a grasp of your taste in rock to know what you will think.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 02:28 (one year ago) Permalink
I keep meaning to check it out. I will.
The Said The Gramaphone blog top 100 songs includes an Oumou Sangaré one, and a South African one that I have just forgotten. It’s a Ulysses fave he mentioned on the year-end list.
Both cuts I like better than Richard Dawson ‘s avant Brit Folk.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 04:54 (one year ago) Permalink
that would be South African Sun-El Musician and Samthing Soweto's "Akanamali"I'm pushing it hard for year-end considerationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKxFS8L6AlQhttp://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=24322
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 07:03 (one year ago) Permalink
wow that is really lovely
― rob, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:40 (one year ago) Permalink
That is a nice track. I'd have to listen some more before knowing if it's a favorite or not.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink
I don't care for Rahim AlHaj's approach to fusing Arab and western classical music. I only listened to part of the new one, then bailed out.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 16:53 (one year ago) Permalink
I liked it on my 1 and a half listens (and I know little about Arab and western classical music)
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:39 (one year ago) Permalink
NPR year-end list includes Rûwâhîne - by Ifriqiyya Electrique, mentioned above. I wasn't dazzled by the post-punk aspects. Maybe I will give it another shot
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:52 (one year ago) Permalink
Didn't listen to that last night, but did listen again to Ata Kak from Ghana on Awesome Tapes from Africa (although I think that re-release is from a prior year)
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:19 (one year ago) Permalink
Might nominate this as a track in our poll. It's mostly about the keyboard that kicks in at 1:48. Incidentally, these are Brazilian producers.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 December 2017 05:51 (one year ago) Permalink
Er, 1:04. I think it's later on the Spotify version. 1:00something. You will know what I mean when you hear it.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 15 December 2017 05:52 (one year ago) Permalink
Speaking of Brazilian producers, I was out of touch with Brazilian music this year. Anyone have any faves?
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 17 December 2017 06:22 (one year ago) Permalink
Artsy-post Tropicalia pop type sounds I mean; or any other kinds...?
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 17 December 2017 06:23 (one year ago) Permalink
Yes that keyboard livens that up
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 17 December 2017 06:26 (one year ago) Permalink
Still going through this list. Madagascar’s Toko Telo are afropop-folky . They are doing some UK gigs
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 16:11 (one year ago) Permalink
yeah that was a great episode
heard another amazing afropop worldwide ep this week about the Biafra movement which i really knew nothing about
it's prob the best podcast going atm
― Mordy, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink
I haven’t even checked out recent episodes (but I should). I just read the text listing their fave 2017 albums.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 22:42 (one year ago) Permalink
There's an exhibit in Paris running to February 25 of the recently(2016) deceased photographer Malik Sidibe's photos of 1960s and 1970s Bamako, Mali called "Mali Twist." Great photos. Sidibe was a music fan and took lots of photos of music fans there dressed up,going out and dancing.
Some 250 black-and-white photographs crowd every inch of wall. In one, a pair of teenage boys in wildly patterned bell bottoms pose moodily with a guitar.
I haven't seen the exhibit, but my wife splurged for the book for me for Chanukah (awww) and its impressive and fun.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:39 (one year ago) Permalink
Yes, posting about it on another thread, but a pick from lex's list might be of interest here:
Ariwo - Ariwo
Jazz, electronic, but some borrowing from the sort of music that normally appears on this thread too. Definitely a Latin feel to some of the jazz. Very difficult to describe. One of them new-fangled fusions. Caldera in particularly is pretty Latin jazzy, but still electronic.
While I'm on this, Auntie Flow was also on lex's list, and might appeal to Rolling Global Outernational listeners.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 16:29 (one year ago) Permalink
As I've mentioned on the generic Arabic music thread, there has been quite a bit of good underground/indie Arab music coming to my attention this year:
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 16:35 (one year ago) Permalink
Been catching up on lots of music the last 2 days. Just listened to the Afropop stocking stuffers podcast and now hearing some albums mentioned on it. Listening now to Soweto Soul, an album put together by Dutch producer/guitarist Joep Pelt who loves old-school South African Pennywhistle Jive, Hip-Hop, Mbaqanga and Kwaito. He got lots of old-school folks to participate. Alas, some of it sounds forced. He wants to make it modern. But some cuts work.
I havent listened to that Lex pick Ariwo yet, but I have heard some of the afropop/afrobeats he likes--Mr. Eazi and Serge Beynaud.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 29 December 2017 22:29 (one year ago) Permalink
Rolling Global Outernational Non-West Non-English (Some Exceptions) 2018 Thread Once Known as World Music
― curmudgeon, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:43 (one year ago) Permalink
Today I will mostly be listening to the Nyege Nyege Tapes label from Uganda. Namely: Nihiloxica, The Sounds of Sisso compilation and the album by Riddlore
― Badgers (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 09:20 (eleven months ago) Permalink
Maybe not for this thread but I just saw the articles and haven't listened to these acts yet
I don't know any of these Congolese rappers and r'n'b acts-- Maître Gims and others
Sjava and 3 others.
I don't know these folks either
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 11 February 2018 05:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink
Oops ..2017 thread
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 11 February 2018 05:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink