What about crustless / bottomless pies?
Food taxonomy is for wankers, really.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
What's an example of a crustless/bottomless pie?
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Shepherds pie. Cottage pie. Fish pie. No crusts, no bases, no pastry at all. Several pies in the uk just have pastry lids and no bottom.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
shepherd's pie
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJG3uB2lVs
― how's life, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link
Shepherd's pie's so-called lid is a layer of mashed potatoes, i.e., an ingredient, it's not a pie lid that in any way resembles a pastry. If you let shepherd's pie in then the whole lot has to come in with it, including pizza. As a shepherd yourself you should know this
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
shepherd's pie is a casserole, not a pie
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
also must allow doo doo pies
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
tbh i think shepherd's pie really is more of a casserole
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
yeah i think accepting that shepherd's pie isn't a pie is akin to accepting that cheesecake isn't a cake - both obviously true but left to us through some unfortunate quirk of languange
― Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
ts: zep 'custard pie' vs halen 'poundcake'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
What about Piebald? What about Cake?
― Jeff, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
mud pies v urinal cakes
― ogmor, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link
some srs pastrybros in here questioning the bonafides of the clear winner hey pastrybros stfu and get behind pie as it lumbers towards the real enemy in the big pie vs fruit contest in nov 17
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
NEVER FORGET
A big blob of mayo on the side of a bowl of chilli is amazing
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, September 23, 2012
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, shepherd's pie and cottage pie aren't really pies to me. I'm not entirely convinced by quiche being a pie either, though. (I still voted for pie.)
― emil.y, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:24 (seven years ago) link
are we having another pie poll
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:31 (seven years ago) link
I've never thought of cheesecake as a pie before, or even as a cake, really, but it's as much a pie as key lime pie, now that I think about it. It's a good question.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
http://www.finecooking.com/item/11489/cheesecake-or-cheesepie
His conclusion: "So, in short, a cheesecake is a pie. It can also be a cake, but it can't not be a pie."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link
Another take:
Like the Tomato Fruit vs Vegetable debate, cheesecake can be classified as a pie (separate crust, the soft filling, and the absence of flour), a custard (unbaked cheesecakes), or a torte (using eggs as the sole source of leavening). But since the earliest cheesecakes were created by the early Greeks, and they considered it a cake, that is the general classification used.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:40 (seven years ago) link
Alton Brown:
Aside, of course, from the crust, a basic cheesecake only contains some sugar, vanilla, eggs and dairy. It's a custard no matter how you cut it. In fact the only real difference between a cheese cake and a cream pie is that most of the dairy of a cheesecake comes in the form of a soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture, known far and wide as cream cheese.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
In other words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyI7QAnaVQQ
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
quiche is v obviously pie
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
otm
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
like a custard pie, i don't see that the filling has got any bearing on a dish's pie-ness
― Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
that soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture that we all know and love
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link
I'm with Sick M on the lid being necessary for pie-ness (heh), I just disagree on the lid being sufficient for pie-ness.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
Having said that, I'm willing to believe that the true/technical definition does not require a lid. It's just... if someone were to offer pie, what would an average person expect? This may differ between countries but I'm not sure, there seems to be disagreement within countries too.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
the straightforward cake known as the boston cream pie is the greatest pie travesty of all
― estela, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link
cake pie is a lie
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
as counterpoint i offer Kendall Mint Cake
http://adambalic.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be7269e20134884f3db2970c-800wi
― Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
clearly in the cake of soap tradition, denied
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link
kendall mint urinal cake
― estela, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link
have u ever tried it
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link
never even heard of it
― estela, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link
i've had it, it's best left to life or death situations on the side of a mountain i wd say
― Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
sad!!!!!!
― surm, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
ALL I WANT IS CAKE
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE CAKE
― Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
it does look like a poor last resort scroggin substitute
if i had heard of it before seeing it i would have pictured a cake, not a chunk
― estela, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
you're really right though i can't :/
― surm, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
i like it
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:11 (seven years ago) link
is this the cake thread
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
not rising to that
― forgive me fader for I have sinned (wins), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link
There are tons of pies with no top. Pumpkin pie, key lime pie, chess pie, Dutch apple pie (a crumble), etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link
Notably, all American 'pies', except the one that even you say is a crumble (a crumble is not a pie).
― emil.y, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
That Kendall Mint Cake stuff is designed to appeal to climbers who've entered the so-called Death Zone above 23,000 ft of elevation. They lose all their appetite up there and must force themselves to eat anything, just to prevent catastrophic weight loss and weakness. It is almost pure sugar, with a shot of mint extract to make it a bit more palatable.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link
xpost A crumble topping, not a crumble, which is more or less the same here as a crisp (which of course elsewhere means a potato chip). But then we're going down the rabbit hole of nomenclature and slang. Regardless, just because other countries have fewer pies than we do does not make our other pies any less pie!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
it raises concerns that ye'll call any old fuckin thing a pie which is relevant
― loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
bye bye miss tart
― forgive me fader for I have sinned (wins), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:53 (seven years ago) link