Pie vs. Cake

it's not a cake, that's for sure.

the greatest and most underrated dessert category is mousse

pie, like hot dog, is a sandwich iirc

Sandwich involves bread.

sandwich is a state of mind maaaaan

A pie has a LID. That's how you know it's a pie. Cottage pie. Fish pie. Defined by their lids.

false, pumpkin pie, sweet potato pie etc don't have lids

quiche is a pie

if you have to bake it in a pie dish then it is a pie

but i admit there are other pies that are not baked in pie dishes. galettes are pies right

the lid is a red herring, i would put quiches, flans, tarts in to the realm of pie, which is really "solid (baked?) crust plus filling" - i'd say pizza is an outlier but not argue too hard, a calzone is more or less a pasty - which also belongs to the realm of pie, alongside sausage rolls

pigs-in-a-blanket?

not solid crust

What about crustless / bottomless pies?

Food taxonomy is for wankers, really.

What's an example of a crustless/bottomless pie?

Shepherds pie. Cottage pie. Fish pie. No crusts, no bases, no pastry at all. Several pies in the uk just have pastry lids and no bottom.

shepherd's pie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJG3uB2lVs

Shepherd's pie's so-called lid is a layer of mashed potatoes, i.e., an ingredient, it's not a pie lid that in any way resembles a pastry. If you let shepherd's pie in then the whole lot has to come in with it, including pizza. As a shepherd yourself you should know this

shepherd's pie is a casserole, not a pie

also must allow doo doo pies

tbh i think shepherd's pie really is more of a casserole

yeah i think accepting that shepherd's pie isn't a pie is akin to accepting that cheesecake isn't a cake - both obviously true but left to us through some unfortunate quirk of languange

ts: zep 'custard pie' vs halen 'poundcake'

What about Piebald? What about Cake?

mud pies v urinal cakes

some srs pastrybros in here questioning the bonafides of the clear winner hey pastrybros stfu and get behind pie as it lumbers towards the real enemy in the big pie vs fruit contest in nov 17

NEVER FORGET

A big blob of mayo on the side of a bowl of chilli is amazing

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, September 23, 2012

Yeah, shepherd's pie and cottage pie aren't really pies to me. I'm not entirely convinced by quiche being a pie either, though. (I still voted for pie.)

are we having another pie poll

I've never thought of cheesecake as a pie before, or even as a cake, really, but it's as much a pie as key lime pie, now that I think about it. It's a good question.

http://www.finecooking.com/item/11489/cheesecake-or-cheesepie

His conclusion: "So, in short, a cheesecake is a pie. It can also be a cake, but it can't not be a pie."

Another take:

Like the Tomato Fruit vs Vegetable debate, cheesecake can be classified as a pie (separate crust, the soft filling, and the absence of flour), a custard (unbaked cheesecakes), or a torte (using eggs as the sole source of leavening). But since the earliest cheesecakes were created by the early Greeks, and they considered it a cake, that is the general classification used.

Alton Brown:

Aside, of course, from the crust, a basic cheesecake only contains some sugar, vanilla, eggs and dairy. It's a custard no matter how you cut it. In fact the only real difference between a cheese cake and a cream pie is that most of the dairy of a cheesecake comes in the form of a soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture, known far and wide as cream cheese.

In other words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyI7QAnaVQQ

quiche is v obviously pie

otm

like a custard pie, i don't see that the filling has got any bearing on a dish's pie-ness

that soft, smooth, tangy, cow's milk cheese containing no less than 33 percent milk fat and no more than 55 percent moisture that we all know and love

I'm with Sick M on the lid being necessary for pie-ness (heh), I just disagree on the lid being sufficient for pie-ness.

Having said that, I'm willing to believe that the true/technical definition does not require a lid. It's just... if someone were to offer pie, what would an average person expect? This may differ between countries but I'm not sure, there seems to be disagreement within countries too.

the straightforward cake known as the boston cream pie is the greatest pie travesty of all

cake pie is a lie

as counterpoint i offer Kendall Mint Cake

http://adambalic.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451be7269e20134884f3db2970c-800wi

clearly in the cake of soap tradition, denied

kendall mint urinal cake

have u ever tried it

never even heard of it

i've had it, it's best left to life or death situations on the side of a mountain i wd say

sad!!!!!!

ALL I WANT IS CAKE

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE CAKE