will noisey have moved forward, done the work and fought like fuck?

yeah I think if some other more or less apolitical music blog was suddenly coming on with this kind of inflated insurrectionary rhetoric people wouldn't be making quite so much fun of it (although it would still be kinda silly imo, the impulse is laudable but anyone getting all "this Hype Machine kills fascists" could do with 1x gentle reality check) but coming from this outlet there's an especial lack of self-awareness

was just noticing that noisey has essentially abandoned the Vice magazine voice in favour of the universal blogger warmbodies tone

FWIW "universal blogger warmbodies" was my favorite Sound Canvas preset

you do realise this was written by a sometime ilxor who wasn't working at vice years ago when it was what you accuse it of

waht's a "warmbody" tone

you do realise this was written by a sometime ilxor who wasn't working at vice years ago when it was what you accuse it of

I have little idea who wrote it beyond —The Noisey Editorial Staff but I will assume this person is aware of what it was when it was what it was, so djp's point still stands

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kMPR6P4fBj0/UDfBS-EF-YI/AAAAAAAAAAU/z__Xq6dOSTw/s1600/becks-love-music-hate-racism1.jpg

Isn't it better that it has changed into this? I dont see how that makes any of the points less valid

https://images.vice.com/noisey/content-images/article/noisey-best-and-worst-of-2015-dan-ozzi/dan-ozzi-best-of.jpg

You know those days you wake up for work and think "I can't do this. I cannot face the filth bucket that is humanity today?" I had one of those this summer and instead of going to an office, I hopped a train to the beach, and sat there all day alone, doing nothing but enjoying the sun and the ocean and listening to this album. I will forever hear it and tie it to that memory. I highly advise you to force yourself off your daily path once in a while.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/noisey-best-and-worst-of-2015-dan-ozzi

sometimes you fight like fuck, sometimes you just ditch your office job and sit on the beach doing nothing

uuuuugh didn't that guy also do that horrible lecherous celeb interview thing

Xp if and when there is evidence of this relentless new direction you are free to vote "yes". I have tried to leave a sufficient window for people to make up their minds

I am pro taking a beach day

uuuuugh didn't that guy also do that horrible lecherous celeb interview thing

yeah w/ natalie imbruglia. awful writer

performatively

woke

PAY YOUR WRITERS MORE

you know what i really resent? outlets calling for more marginalised voices - which mostly means young and inexperienced - and using their experiences for a diversity effect while paying them absolute shit, taking advantage of their lack of knowledge/ability to ask for money they can actually live on

he didn't mention fighting like fuck to actually pay people

provide a platform and outlet but not, actually, a fair rate of pay

in fairness to noisey they are far from alone in this

As I wrote on the other thread

Whiney G. Weingarten
Posted: December 16, 2016 at 8:42:04 PM
My personal favorite part is the open call for Muslims and immigrants to provide them with content, presumably at the same slave wages that Vice writers get

Isn't it better that it has changed into this? I dont see how that makes any of the points less valid

Yes it is very much better that the millions of dollars made on ironic racism and Terry Richardson blowing loads on teenagers eventually went to self-aggrandinzing woke soapboxing, what a time to be alive

My friend went to a Vice party in the Aughties and told me the DJ played nothing but Skrewdriver and nobody was the wiser

Now Noisey had articles about how wearing Skrewdriver shirts is problematic. YOUVE COME A LONG WAY BABY

lol

would not assume "nobody was the wiser" tho tbf

from the CEO loudly bragging about fucking an intern with two dicks in one rubber to fighting like fuck for marginalized voices, truly this is a sincere battle being fought and not one rooted in the grotesque commerce of mining social justice for capitalism

haven't music publications been mining social justice for capitalism for a long time? Isn't that part of the Rolling Stone story?

beats me

you do realise this was written by a sometime ilxor who wasn't working at vice years ago when it was what you accuse it of

― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 17 December 2016 17:42 Bookmark

wight dorke i knew it

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actually i dont know if the person im thinking of wrote it, i just saw that person share it

who works for noisey obviously

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lol wight dorke

more like

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/hellraiser/images/4/4a/960.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160204075810

It wasnt him, i dont know him

waht's a "warmbody" tone

― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:47 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just like the platitudinous zombified cut-and-dry voice of takes far and wide. like, Vice tone is indistinguishable from salon, huffpo, slate to me now. for all the awful things about 00's-Vice (the ironic racism--at least among hipsters--seems thoroughly out of style but the unironic racism of McInnes seems a throughline to alt-right in hindsight) the writing had a distinct voice. maybe it was ripped off from 90s zines or whatever but it was strongly associated with Vice and the foundation of the brand

on the 'paying workers slave wages' front, they've recently unionized, so, maybe something will happen with that

on the 'paying workers slave wages' front, they've recently unionized, so, maybe something will happen with that

This means the staff gets decent salaries, and benefits; their freelance rates are at the low end of average. Each of the 3 stories I've written for them has paid $125. Bandcamp pays 3x that.

surely the fighting like fuck makes up for it?

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/inside-the-sad-world-of-racist-online-dating

this is good content to fight fascism

the ironic racism--at least among hipsters--seems thoroughly out of style but the unironic racism of McInnes seems a throughline to alt-right in hindsight)

I mean, this was obvious at the time.

Xp "it's hard out there for a racist" hmmm

haven't music publications been mining social justice for capitalism for a long time? Isn't that part of the Rolling Stone story?

― sarahell, Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:39 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

beats me

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:41 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yeah I was going to say, Rolling Stone really hit its stride by providing political commentary of a sort that wasn't widespread AT THE SAME TIME they were pronouncing god status on rock dudes who were fucking fourteen year olds

Much like what Pulp Fiction did with John Travolta in the early 90s, 2016 has thrust white nationalism back to the forefront of our collective psyche, forcing our society to—again, much like Travolta—stare continuously into its insane, twinkling, dead eyes.

thinking aout what lex was saying on the other thread about Vice (well, Noisey) being performatively woke while not actually paying writers well enough to make writing for them worthwhile, but this is more an argument of how you get what you pay for

Lol I wasn't specifically referring to noisey, though perhaps it also applies

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/welcome-to-the-guide-to-life

smh "start a podcast"

Do You Have Something To Say? Make a Game

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v0RdU1A7jiQ/maxresdefault.jpg

An actually useful guide to life would tell people not to bother doing any of these things

We'll continue publishing explainers on the things you need as you figure out how to live as your best self in this new era.

can i get an over/under on the chances of them publishing an explainer on how to get involved in local politics?

not that 'throwing a diy rave' won't shake entrenched power structures to their very core in and of itself but still

it's on waypoint, their games vertical, what are they supposed to run

like, a few days ago people were calling out pitchfork for running political content that has nothing to do with music, and now here's a games site called out for running content about games

literally all I know about the ‘00s hipster edgelord coke scene I learned from reading noize board pre-‘08

TS: Vice Guide to Partying vs Vice Guide to All the Races

This trip down memory lane is not doing anything for my blood pressure

the saddest beef

I was talking about Vice

I was at a vice party on a boat in Barcelona (free booze) in the 00s and there was a Spanish hipster with a shirt that said "no soy creyente en el virús del SIDA" ("I am not a believer in the AIDS virus") on it and that seemed very on brand

i’m ironically jizzing on a picture of saddam hussein stumbling over a stack of vice magazines with the mirror cover while a band that looks like the strokes takes a picture of me with their phones and posts it to carles’ blog

My friend went to a Vice party in the Aughties and told me the DJ played nothing but Skrewdriver and nobody was the wiser

Now Noisey had articles about how wearing Skrewdriver shirts is problematic. YOUVE COME A LONG WAY BABY

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:26 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjg34w/how-to-know-if-you-are-a-hipster-racist

Ended up voting “no”

But they still got two more months..........

We are going to start every week by re-reading this letter. We are going to remember our outrage at this moment and let it fuel our direction over the next four years. We are never going to let ourselves get complacent. We are never going to let the flames of resistance burn out.

some small part of me wished you got on their editorial staff before this poll expired.

all hands meeting on monday, we're going to review some key directives

but also let's get some clicks out there!

Have they fart like fuck yet

always, fart like fuck, always

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

*bites nails*

vote twice for justice

anyone here ever been to kokie's? i always associate the legend of that place with the vice of yore

i walked past it many times and laughed but no i never went there iirc.

Judging by the torrent of angry anti-Noisey Trump tweets over the years, yeah they did they work and fought like fuck. They really got under his skin.

wish the results to this poll could be read out in the Curtis narrator voice tomorrow

I think this is the nicest thing I've ever said about Vice/Vice contributers:

Not everyone who writes for Vice is entirely terrible, some people just wanna get paid by dicks

― the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:23 PM bookmarkflaglink

nearly everyone who gets paid to do anything is paid by at least a few dicks

sometimes also some vaginas

don't forget the assholes

one assumes the assholes are always there

i get paid by puppies

(and I mean actual dogs u pervs)

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had some prepositional confusion there -- wondering the exchange rate of dicks to dollars vs dollars to donuts

don't GIS "dicks to donuts"

worst Harry Potter spell

"eat a dick" now a confusing insult

feel like this is going to be a landslide, polls are ignoring shy dave cool voters

Was at a vice party on a boat once in the 00s and there was like a roulette table or something, and I just remember seeing a vice exec nonchalantly peeling off bills from a scrooge-mcduck wad of 100s the size of a grapefruit. I've spent the last 12 years wondering if it was real or movie prop money or what.

every day since then i've moved forward, done the work, and fought like fuck to figure it out

oh place your dicks to donuts
and pray

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

this is like Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler

i do not remember what poll option i chose 4 years ago

What all those immigrants about to be deported should really do is learn how to make an indie video game

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, January 23, 2017 5:44 PM bookmarkflaglink

repression quest

― the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, January 23, 2017 5:45 PM bookmarkflaglink

no

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lol i had forgotten the poll closed 4 years ago and saw this thread bumped and thought, "oh, did the poll finally close? what were the results?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc7_1GAYNOw

it’s funny how the narrative used to be evil vice paving DBA and putting up a cynical corporate newsroom and now it’s about how this plucky independent media outlet is getting destroyed by corporate behemoths. perhaps the truth … is somewhere in between ….