Taking sides: Children vs. (non-human) animals

marcos otm throughout obv

What a weird read! I don't know what I have done as a father. I don't feel like I especially encouraged my daughter to walk, when she wanted to stand up I helped hold her hands, and then one day , she just stood up and started walking. Same with talking, I read to her, but never feel like I was a speech therapist teaching her to speak, one day she just started talking. I'm in awe of my child everyday, because she amazes me. My heart goes out to parents with children that have needs different than my child. I'm probably a boring parent.

nobody puts Baby on a rooftop

*dirty dances away from this disaster*

if you all want someone else to complain about, I don't like dogs

I dont like dogs and i even less like owners who treat dogs like humans, call them "furbabies" and talk endlessly about them, and mourn them for 10 years after theyre dead. That just ... god, have a child.

Lol

Thorstein Veblen was a champion dog-hater, as immortalized in several passages in The Theory of the Leisure Class, so you are in distinguished company silby.

i beg your pardon, trayce, furbabies do not die, they go to the rainbow bridge, please get your "facts" straight.

people who hate kids and make everyone around them aware of how much they hate kids are creepy

UGGGGH at the cloyingness of anything to do with 'rainbow bridge'.

also getting pissy at people for mourning their pets for however long is also creepy

granted not in the same way but it sets off the same "o_0 jfc get over it" thing in my brain

i dislike the "furbaby" thing and talking about pets like they're you're children but that's an aesthetic thing, it has no bearing on how much of a shit people give about their pets

has anyone itt actually said anything in favor of either children or pets

no way of checking I suppose

well i went back to the point where multiple grown adults argued about whether or not children are good conversationalists but my eyes glazed over and now i'm dead and here's my corpse

wait is mourning a pet now unacceptable???

multiple grown adults argued about whether or not children are good conversationalists but my eyes glazed over and now i'm dead and here's my corpse

for real that was just...that any adult could argue a 5yo is as good a conversationalist just encapsulates how boring and awful people get on parenthood, when their level of conversation is reduced to talking about their child, in whom i am uninterested. it explains a lot

diversity adds perspective to a conversation

will someone please ban me from this hell

there's a deep irony waiting to be unearthed here somewhere beneath the bizarre oblivion that's required to earnestly assess children's worth, as an entire group, based on their lack of ability to converse at the level of adults.

I don't know about conversation, but for some parents, when they see their child's face, they are taken away to that special place. And if they'd stare too long, they'd probably break down and cry.

Gotta check the privilege of sitting judgement of who is boring and who is not.

I was gonna wade in last night on whether we should assess the worth of, say, adults with learning disabilities based on their ability to discuss Vorticism but then I thought "this cluster is probably fucked enough right now" so peace

the cluster cannot take any more

no one is "assessing the worth" of anyone. local garda why are you exaggerating everything??

I wasn't talking about you there lex, as I said ages ago I think a simple statement of "I don't enjoy the company of children" is understandable and reasonable

there was a whole wild tangent that ∞ was getting into about expression and communication and ideas that bears no resemblance to my experience of what individual humans - kids or adults - can share with us if we're receptive to them, or about what interactions and relationships really are about, or about any experience I recognise about being one being in a world full of beings tbh

i'll leave that for others to decide xpost.

lex started it

theyre not capable of thinking in complex ways due to their lack of real life experience

you can talk to them about social justice, the environment, equality, but it ends there. their reactions cannot be compared to an adult and are scientifically primitive

I mean, there are umpteen ways that this is just wrong, to me, but the heart of the wrongness is that somehow "complex" thinking produces the kinds of interaction most worthy of our time. I mean, to go back to animals for a minute, how much I value interacting with a dog or a cat is not remotely predicated on what I believe to be the complexity of their abstract thought

what is it that children fail to do, in conversations, which adults have learned to do?

i'll leave that for others to decide xpost.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, December 16, 2016 9:57 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

others can decide what they want but you've consistently exaggerated everything i've said to a ludicrous extent. you're a fucking disingenuous weirdo for it.

i don't think that's true, the previous time you said this was when you forgot you used the word "hated".

and when you wilfully misinterpreted "irritated" as "irate"?

do not try it with me ronan. leave me the fuck alone.

i mean you revived a thread called "children v dogs" - you could take a minute and think "maybe some of the things i'm saying are offending people, why is that?"

i say that as someone not personally offended by anything you said itt.

the original thread didn't seem to contain any offended people despite several posters opting for dogs???

is there a reason for that? i haven't read the original. it might contain different words i suppose.

oh is this still going on? yes yes children are terrible they bang on and on about the same thing for days and get mardy when people don't say what they want

fair comment but we need to hear from hunde for balance

is there a reason for that?

Fewer ILXors had kids 12 years ago.

I like asking parents about their experiences - or rather their kid experiences, particularly with technology. The subject fascinates me although I'm not set on having kids myself.

I've still got it in for anyone who puts 'Dad' (or, worse, 'Husband') in their Twitter bio though. What is that about?

DONT TRY IT

Wilf is annoyed with the turn this thread has taken. You really don't want to annoy Wilf.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czy_XHCWEAEX1fl.jpg

I would never annoy Wilf! I choose Wilf!

whippet I'd like to f?

Wilfred!

LOL, his owner is gay and Wilf makes a beeline for any well-dressed man in the street, so one of his owner's many nicknames for this guy is Cock Magnet.

I ran some tests. I found that dogs instinctively know how to swim and children do not. Point goes to dogs.
Unfortunately I'll need a good amount of time before I am reequipped and able to run the next test.

But how long would a dog survive on a roof

we put a baby and a dog on a roof. what happened next will shock you

Did they have a complex interaction