make america rock again
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
agh, they drag me back in
Whiney:
didn't make a tally but fine I guess I was looking for the wrong thing. v conspicuous though and made more so by narrow genre focus
equating making a list of this particularly narrow focus with 'woke' contemporary discourse sure, but again it's probably my fault for othering it idk - for many people this focus is everything - I am sorry for this
Dan:
fair and I'm sorry again - although my aspie brain distinguishes between 'majority' and 'almost all' - but even then I guess it would be fair for a general music zine to do this. been so much great music of all genres this year though that it feels like a very forced editorial decision, but who am I to complain
rob: it's awesome that there is such diversity on the panel! that is to be commended. but this diversity has manifested in a weird and narrow list and I'll admit I can't get my head around it, maybe due to prejudice.
not your job to educate me. apologies again.
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
would like to stress as well that my initial fury was stoked by that write-up and that spilt over into my complaint with their weirdly restricted editorial focus, and I do not intend a tone of hatred towards black music, and I'm really sorry if it seems this way
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
why is this list "narrow"? It seems pretty musically diverse
admittedly more british rap than id like to see.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
that you see a list with lots of black music as "restricted" or "narrow" might actually reflect your own myopic POV, just my 10 cents
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
er, pence?
idk why im bothering to argue with imago LOL
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
a list full of white rock bands would be even worse but we're not seeing much of those outside kerrang and classic rock mag
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
except for maybe over the last 40 years of music journalists making lists
― Wassail Anarchist (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
so let's not get into ridiculous notions of "balance"
really wish I'd been threadbanned now
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
maybe just maybe a lot of mainstream rock/indie/guitar pop/call it what the fuck you want is becoming an increasingly niche concern
― Wassail Anarchist (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link
this diversity has manifested in a weird and narrow list and I'll admit I can't get my head around it
this has been said before in other ways, but there's a running theme in this thread, not at all surprising for a/this message board of course, of people ignoring the social aspect of music and expecting music writers and publications to be super focused on discovery or innovation rather than registering/analyzing music as a social phenomenon despite the fact that clearly the latter is both more common and more popular with readers
― rob, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:59 (seven years ago) link
if it ain't woke don't fix it
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
lol
― Wassail Anarchist (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link
ha
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
― banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
― Evan, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link
Hehe
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
No comment on this specific back and forth but I will note that this is the second time in two days on ILX we've waded into someone or something being "performatively woke"
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
If music as a social phenomenon is a parameter why is there no Justin Bieber on these lists? Twenty One Pilots? Sia? Spotify is telling me they had some of the top 20 most listened songs of 2016
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:22 (seven years ago) link
Bieber's album came out last year
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
also Bieber fucking sucks
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:24 (seven years ago) link
so do Twenty One Pilots last time I checked
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
to be more precise I don't mean merely commenting on what's popular (though Bieber was surely on all these lists last year; Sia maybe too), I mean the writers who compile these lists engage in music socially. like part of why I am into "Work" or Lemonade are because my friends are too and they were part of conversations/life, and this is also true of writers.
god this is banal and obvs but it makes more sense than trying to uncover the office and identity politics at work behind every list
― rob, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday,
my niece's godfather's son's favorite band – fight this generation.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
I like "Heathens" but not nearly enough to investigate anything else they've done
― ¶ (DJP), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
Yeah i was kind of joking about the lack of white.
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
I am not joking about Bieber being the worst
Fade Too Black
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/25/e5/8e/25e58e5594219984131c9a86a223e1d2.jpg
― Evan, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
'sex with me' > 'black beatles' were my numbers 1 & 2 also. not sure if i should be redesigning my list here or what >:(
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:28 Bookmark
nahh. couple days ago i was this close to citing 'sex with me' omission as perfect example of eoy talking points memo irrelevance, it is a great song and it is HUGELY popular on the low in the realest way. #1 placing is a stunt flex but fuck it i cosign
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 18:53 Bookmark
like 4 tunes tho? (not even any good ones either so miss me with the kneejerk disdain bruh)
list is otherwise not one i much feel in my bones personally but goddamnit it is an actual proper list of songs that were listened to during the year indicating life and aesthetic and such. that would seem to be a precious rarity now
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link
I dont understand those color wheels. It makes it seem like if you mix those colors you get white and as a child I mixed them all and I didn't get white, I got black instead.
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:55 (seven years ago) link
Kind of felt like imago felt when reading that fader list.
Make the color wheel great again.
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link
ban fake moka
― banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
the fader list crashed my browser so i have nothing to say about it
(this has been true of many links itt; my computer is old and creaky but not unusually so i thought)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
Ban moka
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link
fyi is the 'sex with me' write up really any less reductively banal than a paen to solange as supposed tranquilising oatmeal balm cocoon
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
look dad, no white people! so fucking brave
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:23 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what the
― nomar, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
Hahaha can we move on to another list please?
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
a paen to solange as supposed tranquilising oatmeal balm cocoon
lmao
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
PLEASE
― sleeve, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
What happened to Dusted magazine? They had one of the beat eoy lists.
― Moka, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link
Dusted has moved to Tumblr
http://dustedmagazine.tumblr.com
― Dinsdale, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
a lot of these lists feature godawful, browser-destroying design
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link
^^ yes. Fact has some fancy video thing playing atop of their list that crashed my iPad. It's so unnecessary when everyone clicking on it just wants to see the list.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
(Having to click 'next' every five or so titles also does my head in)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
would also like to cop to a sense of embarrassing gratitude towards fader's inclusion of 'too much sauce' cos that cursed song was floating around in my head to an unwelcome degree literally all fuckin year
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
You were mixing pigments (subtractive color). The colors above represent mixing light (additive color).
― early rejecter, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link